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This week I found beauty in tornadoes. Hmm. And Southwest Airlines found new ways to ruin air travel for fat people.

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We're talking tornadoes wonder and why Southwest is firmly in its villain era. Born This Way starts now. Welcome to Born This Way, a weight loss podcast exploring the identity whiplash of untangling a lifetime of body shame. And realizing a smaller size doesn't quiet the bully in our heads. So pull up a chair. Preferably not anything plastic or a rickety stool.

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A quick note: we're not doctors or dietitians. The show is for entertainment for me, and all views are personal and our own. So don't sue us. Please. Carrie, I can't live here. I can't live here in the Midwest.

SPEAKER_04 1:05

I can't live if living's with tornadoes.

SPEAKER_06 1:12

How did you spend your life? How did you grow up with this yearly threat? Yeah. It's a vibe, isn't it? This, oh, that bitch, I watched that bitch form, it was an hour from my house. And I know a lot. You know I'm a tornado girly, and that I like to what I know a lot about them and I want like to watch them online. I would never go to them. You're fascinating. I would never go to them. I do not want them to come to me. Yes, I'm very fascinated. But I watched this one form live as I was texting Carrie as my husband was out of town and I was alone with my three children. And it was a barrel, it was so big, so fast, it was very powerful, and it was just barreling toward my house. And I was like, Well, I'm gonna close YouTube and go put the kids to bed. And then I started panic texting Carrie about how did you grow up like this? Yeah, yeah. And I did you ever have any close calls? Oh god.

SPEAKER_04 2:12

Oh god.

SPEAKER_06 2:13

I watched your house and it you're right up in it where you live. Yeah, we're definitely right up in it.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

Right up in it here for sure. So so I was um I did not have my boys that night, the night in question. Um, and when I got your text, I I I had not been paying attention to my phone, and so then I was like, oh shit, like I I hope she's okay. I immediately FaceTimed you. Um and you were fine. You were doing well. You had you were doing exactly what you were supposed to be doing, right? Which is just if you hear the sirens, you go in the basement. That's the deal, right? You hear the sirens, you go in the basement. Or if you're like my friend and I, we heard the sirens, and we, you know, didn't really resp we just kind of kept on. We're just we're whatever, no big deal. Oh my god. Uh and then they went on for real sirens off that night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and then we're like, well, maybe we should. So we went at least down to the main floor of the house that we were in. We didn't go to the basement, but we at least got out of the the top floor and down onto the main floor. And that's I think when I FaceTimed you. Um And yeah, like that's it. Like you just sort of like that's listen, don't when you hear sirens, you should definitely go into the basement. Like that's definitely a thing that should be happening. But when you grow up with this, you do there is some level of desensitization to it, right? Like there that is very much a thing because again, my friend and I just were like, eh, whatever, you know, no big deal. We've been through this before, right? What's really gonna happen? Well, and a tornado is so fucking unpredictable, right? I mean, it could level one house, and that house literally right next door to it is like perfectly fine. They're so fascinating. Speaking of that, these storms were, and and I mean, Lisa did not grow up in this area, so I know that this is like you're like, how do you people do this shit? So that night, Don, like I said, my my boys were with their dad, but Don texted me and said, I I actually I texted him and said, Hey, how are you doing? Because previously he has he's in the past had some fear of storms. Now he's getting more into like a fascinated by it way.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

Okay, sure.

SPEAKER_04 4:13

And he said, Yeah, we're good. We're watching. Yeah, I know, right? Well, we've been waiting for you. Uh he said, we're watching. I feel like the guy, I'm this is probably not right, but I feel like I looked at it enough to remember that I feel like the guy's name was Reed Timmer. Reed Timmer. That is that is a person. That is a it is, okay, okay. So yeah, okay, it is, yeah, yeah. Okay. So I was like, oh, he was watching Reed Timmer. He was. I said, Oh, but who's that? And he goes, Oh, mom. He's like the Michael Jordan of Storm Chasing, and he's in Henry right now, which is like an hour from us, right? He's like, and I'm like, wow, like the Michael Jordan of Storm Chasing is like so close to our house. That's so cool.

SPEAKER_06 4:50

And so you know, I could see the map of all those storm chasers. I did not like that they were near us. I was like, what are all these people doing here? What does this mean?

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Yeah. Why is Reed Timmer here?

SPEAKER_06 5:02

That's not a good thing with Reed Timmer. Yeah, Reed Timmer made an He made an intercept last summer. I think he has a big vehicle. Um, I'll be watch I watch another storm chaser and I'll be watching his feed. And they have they tap into all the weather cams around the country through like the news stations, and he'll pull it up. And then it was so funny. He was watching it, and you see, I think it's called a dominator, this big tank metal car thing he built that bolts into the ground, and he goes last year he drove into one and intercepted it. And you can see it. This dude is just he is wild. He is wild. Yeah. Um, like the you could see it on the traffic cans, and we'll just be talking, like, oh, you know, because you can see the clouds a lot if you don't have a storm chaser out there. So the guy I watch Ryan Hall will be like, oh, there's the clouds or whatever. And then all of a sudden you see the dominator like roll by on the traffic can, and everybody in the chat's like, There goes Reed! Reed's here. And then you know you're fucked if you're on Ryan Hall's stream and Reed Timmers there. Yeah, you better fucking go in your basement. Right. You better be in that basement. It's like I think that's why I was so so scared though. Cause it because I watched it go from I mean, a little cloud, you know, in this little they go, and it just and you watch it just go boom, and all of a sudden it was just this massive, almost wedge.

SPEAKER_04 6:29

Oh, it was big. It's wild. It is really wild. I did watch some of the footage later. Five-inch hail, like five inches. Five records.

SPEAKER_06 6:40

It was the biggest hail ever recorded in that state.

SPEAKER_04 6:45

Yeah, wild. Real wild. It was a wild night for sure. Um, I ended up I so I had to do a bit of driving that night, and um I I think I drove home at like 11, something like that, and it was uh what a treat. I mean, I feel like Mother Nature just put on a show. Like the lightning was so beautiful. I mean, it just uh the way that it lit up the sky and you would see it just bolt across and down, and it was so I mean, you know, like it I was yeah, it's energy.

SPEAKER_06 7:18

I have a video around that time, like 10 45, I was just videoing the lightning because I knew the tornadic threat had passed and it was then a thunderstorm because I also have like taught myself how to read the radar because I'm so scared. You watch those streams enough, you'll slowly start to learn, even though I had got a C in my meteorology class and I fought like hell for that C. The only class that I really studied in my homework and got a C.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

I've heard about this class before. It's a thing.

SPEAKER_06 7:46

I'm very proud of my one uh physical science credit in college, let me tell you. You're goddamn right. We celebrate that. No small wins. And my math for liberal arts credit that I somehow tricked them into giving me a college degree without with like a middle school math level. That's okay. I took a video of that. Of the lightning, and it was beautiful. So I wonder if I know we're not that close, but yeah, I'm guessing it's the same kind of it was the same system and it was beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 8:16

Uh that was a really interesting night. Like just the the lightning was beautiful, the storms were epic. Um, it was, I will say, like, I was like, oh damn, like the Michael Jordan, storm chasing is here. This maybe this is uh pretty serious, right? Like maybe this really is something to be taken seriously. Um I don't know, it's just one of those things that you kind of I do admit being a Midwest kid, I kind of take that stuff for granted.

SPEAKER_06 8:41

Yeah, I could, I think you all do. I could tell by being around. I was telling people when I was out, there's a even last summer, I'm like the doctor for the waiting room, I was like, it's a 15% chance today. It's at enhanced risk level three. And she looked at me like I was the dumbest person.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

Enhanced risk three.

SPEAKER_04 9:13

What enhanced risk level was it that day? Was it like a what's the scale? What's it go to?

SPEAKER_06 9:17

Uh it goes real, it can get really, really high, but it basically it's like color-coded. So you can go on Reddit, the subreddit tornado. Um, there's some drama on there right now with one of the moderators. But either way, they too. Oh my god, that it's so reddit, it hurts. I know. The there's a the National Weather Service provides the map every day. So I wake up during this season and I check either tornate tornadopath.com or the NWS and it will show you the enhanced risk scale. So I saw it was like blood red over just your house like this.

SPEAKER_04 9:47

And I was like, this just my house is great.

SPEAKER_06 9:51

Yeah, I was you're never getting out of this alive. So then when I saw it crossing the border, and I was like, what the fuck? Why is it coming over here? Um, but that day it was so it goes from 5, 10, 15. I think the highest it goes up to like one of the worst. There was this we'll turn this into tornado podcast. So you know I can talk about it all day. The tornado super outbreak of 2011 has like two EF5s. Some of the biggest, most prolific tornadoes in our country's history was that year, and there's some that got up to like 30 or 45% risk that produced EF5s that day. So 15 means a 15% okay, 5% risk, the lowest one, means five times normal chance of a tornado within 25 miles of that area. So 10 is bad, 15 is really bad, and anything above that I mean fucked. You're good.

SPEAKER_04 10:48

Yeah. Just start planning your new home now. What new home will you build? Oh my god. Oh my god. Yeah, it's awful, isn't it? It's fucking terrible. Terrible, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:59

Because there's nothing, right? Because why are you it's funny, I wonder the psychology behind why we're so fascinated, but I think it's because they're morally Oh my god, new yes, but oh my gosh, I this reminds me, ma'am, I gotta talk about this class that I've been taking.

SPEAKER_04 11:17

This class.

SPEAKER_06 11:18

Okay, that started when did that start?

SPEAKER_04 11:22

So last week I mentioned that I was gonna be taking this connection class and it just started on the first class was on Thursday. No, Monday, it was on Monday. The first class was on Monday. Um and one of the key pillars of the class, so there's this framework that you do, and one of what one of the key pieces of the class is to wonder, to stay in wonder and approach things with wonder. And I think that's how we are with tornadoes. They're so wondrous. There's so much about them that we don't understand, but we're naturally prone to be curious and wonder about them. And when so when you fully pull yourself into a state of wonder, of pure wonder, of not knowing, I don't know the direction we're going, I don't know any of the answers, I just am s in wonder. There's like a joyfulness that comes with being in wonder in a state of awe. One of the exercises we had to do was to say, what's awesome about that? So you would say, God, I I am so scared that I am a fucking failure.

SPEAKER_03 12:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:33

What's awesome about that? Well, you know, being scared that I'm a failure means I'm I'm become really good at protecting myself. What's awesome about that? Well, I right so it's like you just had to find the thing that strikes. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 12:53

Okay, I love this so much. I love this so much.

SPEAKER_04 12:56

I have to tell you. Oh my god. It is absolutely uh I've had two of the classes so far. And when you do them, they're very intense. You do these exercises with a partner that they randomly pair you with. And my partner uh for the second night was a guy from Melbourne, Australia. Um, my partner the first night was a woman who lives in Colorado. Um, and you do these very, very vulnerable and structured exercises with this partner. And we were I was told to prepare the coach that there's a guy who's kind of behind all of it. His name is Joe Hudson. And um he talks about the fact that when you fully allow yourself to like really adopt this framework that he kind of teaches in these classes where you're kind of dropping all your armor and just really letting yourself be a full human who experiences all feelings and emotions, you will you will just start crying for days because you're so grateful, and it is absolutely what is happening to me.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

Like I yesterday for you.

SPEAKER_04 14:17

God, yesterday in my car. I I openly wept for 40 minutes before I could get into my office. Like I was like, I can't get, I just was laughing and crying. Like I was laughing through these joyful tears about how fucking beautiful this all is. Because it's all really joy crying. Oh my God. It's the it's the it's the um, I have been just split open, like just broken apart, and all of this stuff is coming out.

SPEAKER_06 14:47

Oh my gosh, from this class.

SPEAKER_04 14:49

I mean, I mean, ma'am, I I walked into work and as soon as I saw Jess, I started sobbing because I was so grateful for her. And she's I'm sorry, this is my administrative assistant. She immediately stopped and was like, Oh my gosh, are you okay? And I said, No, no, no, wait, wait, wait. It's just I'm so thankful for you. You're so good at what you do. You anticipate my needs. Like, and she was like, Okay, great. Like, what the fuck is happening to this woman? And I felt that way. Like it feels really weird because I can't stop. I ran a meeting this morning and I opened it by weeping. Like, I'm so fucking I I can't stop just spontaneously crying these tears of joy and gratitude. Like I just Oh my god. Yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 15:36

I made a po I I I said I made a I made a video journal to myself yesterday because I was watching it was a very windy day and I was watching these dead leaves. All these dead leaves that have been covered for the winter, and now this this new life has been breathed into them, and they're chaotically like spinning up into these circles, and a couple of them will get pulled together, and then they, you know, then they come apart and they might come together again. And I was like, God, what a fucking Yeah, this is the stuff, right? This is what's happening, right? So, like I'm like, what a metaphor for life. Like we run a stretch with a person and then it's so sad because we think they're gone and then they come back, and then but even if they don't last, they were so beautiful in the moment, and we had that thing, and uh, just all this shit I saw on the leaves yesterday, you know?

SPEAKER_06 16:26

Oh my god. Do you think this is a combination of the class and all the work you've been doing? It's not just a class, right? I'm so proud of you. What a beautiful way to live. Can you imagine we all walked around living in wonderment?

SPEAKER_04 16:41

Oh god. I mean, that's the that's the goal, right? Like that is the thing. And everyone in this class, like we're all having real similar experiences. All right, everybody's talking about how transformative this feels. And um it's really amazing. But I do think, listen, I do think that you are spot on when you say like it's a combination of all the work that you've done so far. Because a friend, yeah, I do have a friend who took the class and recommended it to me. And we both kind of agreed, like you have to be a person who's in a place to receive this information and understand it, right? Like and accept it. Because it is very but it is oh God. I mean, I can't I yeah, it's just it's been real powerful. And it's also really challenged me because part of this also is it and this is I I I this comes with an admission that I have to admit. Um and it is that um there's a real part of me that uh and uh all humans struggle with it, but it's the the desire to be impartial. And I've noticed more and more recently that um I make a lot of judgments, we all do about other people. And um and I a couple of times, I've I've it's really been brought to my attention a a c a couple of times recently. One of them is I have a new colleague at work who I love. Uh I've talked to you about her, I think, right? Like she's great. I really love her, she and I vibe.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:10

And um I mean she's Yes, yes, like she's just really wonderful. She's yeah, like she's just my new like bestie at work. We just have really hit it off. And we went to a conference together when I went to Portland, she was there. And um she's she came out from one of the sessions and said, Hey, we should do a podcast called, you know, how to meet your new best friend, since we've already met our new best friend. And like it was real cute the way she said it. And I was like, Oh, I said, I love that, but I already have a podcast. And she goes, Oh, you do? Oh, I want to hear it. And I said, Oh, I'm like, Well, you won't relate, but it's, you know, it's a but it's being, but you might like it. Like you won't relate, but you'll probably enjoy it. I still think it's enjoyable if you even if you won't relate to it. She's like, Oh, okay, well, why won't I relate to it? I said, Oh, well, it's my it's my friend Lisa and I, and um we're on like a weight loss journey, and I've you know, and I used like I did like journey, you know, like I I tried to minimize it, you know, I tried to make fun of it or whatever. And uh I was like, so I've lost like 90 pounds, and you know, she's lost 75, something like that. And and she she cut me off before I could even finish. She just looked at me and goes, I lost 200 pounds. And when I tell you that that fucking put me right in my place, right?

SPEAKER_06 19:25

You had no idea.

SPEAKER_04 19:26

No idea. You thought you were talking to a normie the whole time. Have I shown you pictures of her? Yes. Yes. Yeah, she's hot. Like this woman is hot, she is objectively hot. Smoke show, right? Like she is, she's very much a smoke show. And she's and it's not just because she's physically hot, but she is that too. But she's also fun. She's she's vibrant, she brings great energy. Yeah, she's really, really great. Like she's she definitely are people for sure. But then I was like, you know, I do that so often where I just look at like if I met our friend Misty now, I would go, she doesn't know what it's like to be me. Listen, this fucking bitch doesn't know anything about my existence. And I have this big fucking chip on my shoulder because I I actively like I it's like, why, why, why am I doing that? And I know why I'm doing it, right? A big part of this journey for me has been that self-discovery, right? And I'm doing it because and I this so this this brings me to the other person that this came up with, which is listener of the show, um, Alex. Alex is a friend of mine who I know from my coaching program that I'm in. And um, I was doing a little QA interview with him because um, we're gonna write about him in our newsletter. Alex the Runner. Yep, exactly. Many people in our group know him as Alex the Runner because he's very much a runner. He is an athlete in every sense of the word with his running for sure. Uh, we had a great conversation yesterday, and um I started our conversation with an admission to him, which is hard to talk about at the first meetup when he was there.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

I didn't I didn't say a word to him. I didn't talk to him didn't meet him left the whole meetup without ever having had a conversation with him. I did that why intentionally because I was scared Because I was scared because every time and I did the same thing I did the same thing with this woman, Janine, because I look at these people and they're very these people are very small.

SPEAKER_04 21:37

They are in maintenance, right? Like they have achieved their goals. So they are someone very similar to my workfriend, where I would look at them and go, You have no idea. You don't know what it's like to be me. Don't you I can't level with you, I can't relate to you. We don't have anything in common, right? Like don't don't pretend like you know me. You know, it's almost like this I'm I'm the one. I'm the one. That's doing the judging. It's not them, it's me. And I'm doing it as a protective mechanism. Because in my mind, I'm like, oh well they're not fat.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

And I am. And so I can't I don't get to talk to them because they're maybe someday. Because you believe you don't deserve to or that they they wouldn't want to. Yeah, because I felt the same way. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:35

It's like, well, I mean and I even I told this to Alex yesterday. I said, like, yeah, just you didn't. Yeah. Like I I it makes me so sad because I met him at the at the second meetup.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

I was more brave.

SPEAKER_04 22:49

I had lost a little bit more weight, maybe was feeling more confident. I don't know what it was, but and he's just just a truly wonderful person. And God, Janine. Just a I mean, like a like if you pulled a star out of the sky and put it on earth, like that's her. She's just one of the most truly beautiful people I know.

SPEAKER_06 23:11

Truly. Oh my gosh, what a great way to describe someone.

SPEAKER_04 23:16

She truly is that way. And uh and I was so afraid. I didn't say anything to her the first night we were there because I was like, well, she's very, she's really looking like she's a real normie. Like there's no way this woman and I would ever what would she want to do with me? Right. Oh God. You know, I had but so this is something that I realized about myself is that that impartiality is hard for me because I am so prone to partiality, to making these judgments about people. And in my mind, I'm like, well, normies don't get it. Right? Like maybe they do. Maybe they do get it. Maybe they do get it, even if they've never not been a normy. Maybe they still might be able to understand and identify with some of these things, right? Like it's such a closed place to operate from.

unknown 24:11

Right.

SPEAKER_06 24:11

Right?

SPEAKER_04 24:11

Like it talk about not approaching things with wonder. Like I'm assuming I know everything there is to know about this person. I have no wonder. There's none of any kind there, right?

SPEAKER_03 24:21

I don't allow it to happen.

SPEAKER_06 24:24

I I have the exact same experiences with that. And I'm very judgmental and I'm very partial out of uh out of what I thought was a necessity and protection. And I think you and I are both learning, especially through this group, because I've met people in that group where I'm like, not only do I think they're normies, but I think you hate being 10 pounds overweight, you're gonna hate me. Yeah. Yeah. You don't even know.

SPEAKER_04 24:53

I got a story for you. Right.

SPEAKER_06 24:54

You think that you hate, and I think maybe what I just realized that you and I are experiencing is that so much of what we thought was our own personal struggle is actually a human struggle, but we didn't know any different to understand that.

SPEAKER_04 25:10

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And also, you know, it's not there's there's no struggle, there's no struggle Olympic Games where uh fat people struggle is harder than you know these people struggle over here, right?

SPEAKER_06 25:25

Like, but if there was, you and I could put on a hell of a show.

SPEAKER_04 25:29

I mean, listen, we're not bad. Um yeah, yeah. So anyway, what a class, huh? It's a really great place where people really open their hearts and bring their their true naked authentic selves, which is a real scary thing.

SPEAKER_06 25:48

Yeah. I don't know if I could take that class.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

Yeah, so it's tricky. Speaking of tricky things have you followed, speaking of vulnerability exposing yourself.

SPEAKER_04 26:01

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of judgment from others and asking people to judge.

SPEAKER_06 26:09

My husband, when he went to New York, he was uh told me this morning we were talking about this, and he said that he had sat next to a um I sat next to a big girl on the plane. Is that how he said it? He said sat next to a big girl. Oh, love it. Okay, good. Yep. And I said, Oh, t uh, tell me everything. How did you feel when you saw her? How did how like uh did it did it bother you? Did was were you fine with it? Did you notice a response? It really was good data collection. Right. How I want to talk about on the show. How did she how was she? Was she did I don't know, what was her name? Did you talk to her? I asked I wanted all the details and very all the dirt. I didn't get any any good details beside him from him. He was very neutral about it. He's a very he uh he can be like very neutral about things. It's hard to get a read from him sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 27:01

Ain't that just the way when we're looking for a big reaction, we just can't get it.

SPEAKER_06 27:05

And he just told he goes, uh he's like, I didn't know, we didn't really talk. And I was like, Aw, like you should have talked to her, you're so charming and would have made her, I don't know. He goes, he goes, uh uh he's trying to think of something to give me some little tidbit. And he goes, the armrest came up when she shifted, but he was so neutral about it, like he was just giving facts. So I was like, okay, you pass the test. Right. Because if he had said one thing about it that I didn't like, he probably knew it was a trap, but yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_04 27:32

He's smart enough probably to know that that was a trap you were setting. Well done. Well done, Mr. Lisa.

SPEAKER_06 27:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 27:39

Uh yeah, I I gotta tell you, man, my uh my TikTok algorithm is mostly now uh people who have been publicly shamed and humiliated via Southwest Airlines new passenger of size policy.

SPEAKER_06 27:55

That ramp, which we've talked about from our last episode, didn't it?

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Yeah, right. We were just talking about it and saying they have this, they've updated their policy. Um and so it's interesting though, because it's seemingly, according to us, it seemed that the only thing that changed really was that if the flight was full, they wouldn't get a refund. Right? Like the policy before Yes, right. Like the follow the policy before seemed to be you get a second seat and we'll refund you the second one later, no big deal. Even if the flight's full, we'll give you a refund.

SPEAKER_06 28:28

We'll be in a deficit cost.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

Listen, I gotta make a dollar. You gotta make a dollar. I'm not gonna refund you if I can't sell the seat. That seems fair to me.

SPEAKER_06 28:36

Yeah, I thought it was just they were kind of meeting the other airlines where they were. Yeah. They were just doing what the other people do and losing their this extra thing they had.

SPEAKER_04 28:45

Southwest is trying real hard to be like the other airlines, it would seem, right? So they're doing away with their correcting a little bit according to TikToks. It would sure seem that way, wouldn't it? So here's the challenge.

unknown 29:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:00

What seemed to be like a fairly simple, like, okay, well, we're just, you know, maybe we will not give refunds now if the flight's full. Um has now become like a public, it's almost feels like a public humiliation ritual. Because several people invitation. Yes. Yes. Because what they have said, and this is that uh I pulled it up. I pulled up the policy because there's a real sticking point in it, which is that the it's this part right here. It's not the it's not the customer of size policy, it's that the policy says passengers who may not fit in one seat are required to proactively buy an additional seat, but the airline may determine that need in its sole discretion. So they have left it up to the discretion of their agents, their ticket agents and their gate agents to determine whether or not they think someone will fit in the seat. So what's happening is that people are flying and they're getting up to like this woman, one of the woman women, women that we found on the ticker talker wasn't allowed to get on her flight that she had purchased a ticket for because the flight was full, and because they deemed her too fat by looking at her. They surveyed the scene and they saw this woman and they went over to her and said, ma'am, uh, we're gonna need you to probably buy an extra seat. This flight is already full. Because there aren't any extra seats, we're gonna need you to step off this flight. We're gonna rebook you on something else. So now this woman has I believe she had already flown one leg of her flight. I'm not sure if that was the case or not. But she also had a friend flying with her, right? That was gonna be in that seat. Yeah, it's like that's a real easily resolvable situation. My friend doesn't mind if I spill into their seat and we're sitting next to each other, problem solved. Let me get on the flight. And they like just patently refused, like, nope, sorry, and sent her. So her friend stepped off of the flight too, so they could stay together. But so, like, the to me, the real problem here is is exactly that discretion word. There are no standards. There are no if this, then this. It's like, well, if someone looks like they might be too big, let's pull them out and tell them they need to buy a second seat. And then it sounds like if there isn't a second seat available, we're just gonna rebook them, which feels real shady biz.

SPEAKER_06 31:40

It does. It feels almost like a strategic move of like when the flights are full, a way that you can get more seats to open up is to kind of scan the crowd and make an executive decision. Because this girl having her friend with her even proves that it wasn't actually about the comfortability of the other passenger. Right. It was a discretionary decision by one person. Correct. Yeah. To maybe even to humiliate her.

SPEAKER_04 32:16

Yeah. Yeah. And and what's happening is like one woman and another guy, like there, you guys, there are so many examples right now on TikTok. I mean, this is just a story after story. They just keep coming up on my feed now. I must have clicked on one, but yeah. Uh, but like this woman completed one leg of her flight, and then she was on the connecting flight, she was singled out and told that she'd have to buy another seat. So she had literally already checked in and flown one leg of her flight before someone looked at her and thought she was too fat to fly and pulled her out and said she needed to buy an extra. And this is what's on a connection.

SPEAKER_06 32:52

On a connection, she wasn't even home. Correct. Yeah. I'm gonna try and play one of these so we can the audience can hear it.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

Southwest Airlines charged me an additional$355 because their employee decided that I was too fat to fly. Let me tell you what happened. Tuesday, I was flying out of Dallas Lovefield to Las Vegas for a conference. I got to the gate, the agent pulled me aside and then continued letting everybody bored around me. She then looks at me and asks if I can fit in the seat with the arms down. I told her yes, I fly all the time. I don't spill over the armrest, I don't take up the seat next to me. I've never had an issue. She wasn't satisfied. She pulled over a supervisor. So now I'm standing at gate seven with two people visually judging me, deciding if I get to board this plane today or that day. They let me board. I was upset, but I let it go, and I told myself it was a fluke. It was just like a one-time thing. No big deal. Then I'm flying home from Vegas after my conference. I walk up to the counter to check my bag, and the agent steps aside from his counter, looks me up and down, and says, Elevator eyes, fly. You need to buy a second.

SPEAKER_06 34:37

I'm never flying again.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

I told him, don't look at me like that. He said, It's my job to judge passengers. His job to judge me? He said it was for my comfort. As you can imagine, it escalated quickly. They come out and de-escalate. And they said that it was for my comfort and safety. And before I was gonna get banned for life from the airline, I stopped and I paid the$355 for the second seat. And the crazy thing was nobody was even sitting there. And the moment that I had to buy that seat, it was empty, but I had to pay for it. So the ticket went from manageable to over$800 for one way at this point. I have taken over 50 flights on Southwest. I have flown over 355,000 miles across this country. Oh, he's got research. I've never been made to feel the way I felt in Las Vegas.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

I've never been made to feel the way I felt.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

I was mortified. I'm ashamed. My mental health already is the lowest it could possibly be. I don't think it can go any lower, so I thought, right? And having somebody judge me just after I go to a conference to spend an additional$355 because it was their decision that I was too fat is mind-blowing to me. You never know what somebody is going through.

SPEAKER_07 36:17

You never Okay. Yeah. I get it. I get the gist. I'm horrified for him.

SPEAKER_06 36:23

And I'm I'm curious. We have a good friend who works in this industry, and I'm curious what they would what they think and how they handle this.

SPEAKER_04 36:32

Have you ever asked her? No. I have not asked her uh about this, but I would be curious what her take on it is. But this man sums up, I think, perfectly what the issue is here, which is that we are asking people to make judgments about other people's bodies without giving them any sort of clear parameters or guidelines, right?

SPEAKER_06 36:57

Like it's like we're just I mean, it it's a fucking free-for-all for fat shaming. And like I said before we started recording, there are I have seen them, you have seen them, you have met them. We know I I don't have a lot of confidence in life, as I was told this week. But one thing that I do have confidence about is that there are a lot of people out there who hate fat people and who want to make them feel bad for their own personal issues and reasons. And this is giving a lot of people that opportunity. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:33

Yeah. That's exactly. I mean, it is, it's giving an opportunity because you're you're essentially leaving, like, you know, body size enforcement and whether or not someone can fit into a seat, right? You're leaving that up to someone's subjective discretion. You're not creating any sort of clarity, you're just sort of outsourcing the opportunity for someone else to, you know, humiliate and make a person feel-I mean, you heard that guy say it. And imagine like you're there, you're already fucking anxious because you're flying while fat, which we've d we've covered this topic on this show. It is no fun to fly while you're fat. It sucks. You're already fucking anxious as hell. And then your worst fear about this whole experience not only comes true, but happens publicly in front of other people. As someone, as this video explains, the way that he determined he was too fat was to give him the elevator eyes that we've talked about on this podcast. And that was it. Oh, my you didn't pass my elevator eyes test. Because that's the standard. Someone's eyes are the standard. Make it make sense. Like publish some fucking standards then. Maybe tell me the width and the whatever of the seat. And then if I can't fit in that, fine. Then you at least have something objective to stand behind. But what you've done is you've outsourced this to your agents, to the people that work for your fucking fledgling airline, because you know, Southwest is really struggling right now. They're making all sorts of changes. Um anyway, you're outsourcing used to be a big stand. I know. And not just for plus size policy. Same. My God, and they had such a great corporate culture and all of that stuff, right? But now you're making the people that work for you. I mean, I can't for listen, for some of them, I'm sure they're relishing in it, right? But there have there have to be others who are like, fuck me. God. Like there, there, there, there will probably be some people who really do require a conversation, right? Like that those people are there are out there. And some and I bet some of the people who have to have these conversations feel like a real fucking piece of shit about it.

SPEAKER_06 39:51

Oh, I bet most of them are supervisors saying, go you be the one to go do this sturdy work. Correct.

SPEAKER_04 39:59

Correct. And it really I mean, it just it really sucks to put your fucking employees in the in a lurch like that, right? Like you're really just I mean, you're setting them up to have so much disgruntle and pushback and and you're and I mean, that's your employees, right? But let's let's also not forget the humans who are the target of this humiliation, this public humiliation.

SPEAKER_07 40:21

Right. You mean it's just uh It's it it's gross.

SPEAKER_06 40:27

When it's subjective like this, it stops being about logistics and starts being about humili humiliation. Yeah. And I don't know what they're thinking. And I know there's like the I'll play the devil's advocate here of like that there is, you know, something be said about like seat encroachment and them trying they're a corporation, like this is America, this is capitalism, they're their bottom line, like I'm not necessarily okay with how things work, but I understand how they run, but it's but it's also like exactly what you said, like how unfair for it to be subjective. You're turning it into a person's hand. Look how people have treated other people. What are you doing? What are you doing? Like, why are they gonna have a seat there, like the carry-on where you can drop it and check it? Are you gonna have a little private booth? I even that would be more acceptable than what's happening right now and be like, okay, can you go ahead? We're gonna have to check if the arms come up.

SPEAKER_04 41:30

Yes. Just go in the booth, right? Like I would much rather be like, fine, I'll step into a booth and do my fucking thing. Like accept it. Sure. Like, I mean, I'd rather do that. Yeah. It's kind of like how um at amusement parks, right? Sometimes they'll have like a I think I've seen this before where they'll have a seat you can test to see if you fit on like roller coasters and things. Like sometimes they would have like a test seat. Like a yes, many major theme parks offer test seats at the entrance of popular or intense roller coasters. These allow riders to check because they fit comfortably in the frustrates faster than the case. Particularly for larger guests, helping avoid the frustration of waiting in line only to be turned away.

SPEAKER_06 42:14

Which is I have breaking news.

SPEAKER_04 42:17

Oh my god, what?

SPEAKER_06 42:19

We just got a new Patreon member. Somebody just joined our VIP club. They went to patreon.com slash born this way pod and become a member. Shout out to Bert. Hey that's so exciting. You did it right as we were recording.

SPEAKER_04 42:37

That is really fun.

SPEAKER_06 42:38

If you want to join our VIP club, we've been posting bloopers behind the scenes. Oh, yeah. Um, there's some digital downloads you can grab on there.

SPEAKER_04 42:46

I love using the Patreon as my uh own personal video journal when I'm like unraveling in public. It's so fun.

SPEAKER_06 42:53

I do too. Like, I'm so sorry. I feel like two times that I've gone live. Oh yeah. I have to pee. I'm a pee, so I can't. I'm trying to hold it. I'm so sorry. I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_03 43:07

I'm gonna do that too. Hi.

unknown 43:13

Okay, bye.

SPEAKER_03 43:14

Hi. Were you doing a Patreon?

SPEAKER_04 43:16

No, I was oh no, but I should have. That would have been fucking great.

SPEAKER_06 43:19

It's okay. No, that's I'm so sorry. I mean, are we recording? Oh yeah, I don't. I started my period also. I was like, oh okay, you win. I was like, there's a lot going on there. Sorry. Sure enough. Sure enough. We can cut that out. Okay, sorry to interrupt the um Southwest thing.

SPEAKER_04 43:36

No, but that's where it's just we were talking about our Patreon. We have a new Patreon subscriber. That's so great. I love that. I absolutely love that. Um and I do feel like our Patreon is where my public uh unravelings is where I go. It's my immediate like God forbid, I try to like, you know, do some breathing exercises or you know, anything of my searching a little bit more. I'm like I'm just gonna go document this on our Patreon that I'm having like a high speed come apart right here in the day. Sporting goods. So I know and super fun.

SPEAKER_06 44:03

I love that the uh people in there we can respond to it, that they can respond to it and they can help us out so we can get some like uh not immediate reactions, but some feedback.

SPEAKER_04 44:14

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I do. I love I love the Patreon, it's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_06 44:20

I wonder if any of them have had have you ever had any fat shaming experiences happen to you on a plane? Or has it mostly come from inside the house? Like as far as just because you know it's a possibility.

SPEAKER_04 44:33

Yeah. I definitely think it comes from inside the house 99% of the time. I don't think I have. I think maybe there was one time when there was a guy, like a uh businessman, like a like a uh an older businessman probably in his 50s, maybe, um, who just seemed generally to be kind of a pushy individual, right? Sure. Generally. Um, and um I think maybe he was in the middle seat next to me, or I feel like maybe I was in the middle and he was on the aisle. But like um asked the flight attendant if he could be moved after the flight took off. Uh or just because there was an open seat. So he's like, Oh, it's okay if I moved to that one. So I'm not saying that that was necessarily in response to me, but like I would have done that, right? Like if I see an open seat and it creates space, I do that by default, whether the person next to me is of any size or not. So but that's really the only time that I felt like was kind of close to that where I was feeling a little like, oh, did he move just because I was oh sure.

SPEAKER_06 45:38

You know, I would have thought that.

SPEAKER_04 45:40

Yeah. That's yeah. That's it though. Nothing really overt. Nothing at all like what these people have experienced. So definitely, I mean, yeah. Yes, I would love to hear if anyone has ever had any experiences like that. Um yeah, I just really again, I understand the need for customer-sized policy. I I think they're really fucking it up here, though. Like they're really fucking it up by just telling people they're just out there raw dogging it, right? Like we have no standards, we have nothing to measure with, it's just, do I think you look fat? Yep, I think you look too fat. I've decided you're too fat.

SPEAKER_06 46:15

Right. When the whole thing that they said when they announced this in December that I or last fall when it that it was gonna roll out, was that this existed, this new policy was gonna exist to prevent situations where plus size passenger arrives for a flight and needs an extra seat and there isn't one. Isn't any. Uh-huh.

unknown 46:34

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 46:34

So they weren't saying it was about their bottom line, which I would have even preferred that excuse. They were saying it was about the comfort of the customer.

SPEAKER_04 46:43

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 46:43

Did that sound that man sound comforted?

SPEAKER_04 46:46

Yeah, totally. Yeah. What a what a wonderfully supportive, responsive airline.

SPEAKER_06 46:51

Yeah, I hope that their PR team or whatever is just they must be working overtime. Working some overtime tonight to try and get, I guess, the little we'll send you a the little booth where you can measure people, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 47:06

Yes, they are like the test seats for the roller coasters. It's a really smart idea.

SPEAKER_06 47:11

What about the airplane manufacturers, the airplane manufacturers making bigger seats? Has oh, you fool. You fool. No, too far. Too far? Especially not now, not in 2026.

SPEAKER_04 47:26

Yeah, not when GLP is saving money on the city. I told you the next step's gonna be those smaller seats, lady. Listen, hear my words. It's it's March of 2026. I bet by March of 2027, we've already seen reduced seat sizes based on GLP seats.

SPEAKER_06 47:41

I would happily pay$50 up to$50. I'll give them that for a couple extra inches. I'll do it to not have to have somebody. I mean, I would even I don't want to say I'd pay for the second seat. I don't I'm a bad uh Litman test for this because I'm terrified to fly in general. Right. Yeah, there's already above my yeah, I'm already not a good flyer. So I'm better now.

SPEAKER_04 48:06

Well, I mean, they have you know, they do have those seats already that are like extra leg room. And I don't know if the seats are wider there or if it's just that you get more legroom. Um but and obviously they have first class seats that are you know, well, yeah, except Southwest. Southwest doesn't have first class, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_06 48:22

So how dare you, how dare you budget airlines?

SPEAKER_04 48:26

How dare you? What did you what are you really in this for? We're half your customer base. Come on, man. Oh boy. Well, Southwest, I sure hope you get your shit together. I know I won't be flying on that airline anytime soon. Uh you know, unfortunately, yeah we have a credit card, and that's the only one we fly on. So I feel like I had already fallen out of love with them anyway. So it was just uh really a formality at this point. Yeah. Oh, it's too bad. Another one bites the dust, you know. I mean, I really did always think Southwest was like a great airline, super fun, fun culture, good to their people.

SPEAKER_06 49:10

Did you remember that reality show? I was in high school. It was like a reality show in oh my gosh, was it Phoenix? Was it Sky Harbor? It was a reality show of Southwest gate agents. I know misty about this. You never watched that show? No, I didn't even know there was such a thing. A gate agent of that job. This would have been a great episode.

SPEAKER_04 49:33

The drama of the gate agent job.

SPEAKER_06 49:36

Yeah, it was you never watched that? I mean it was a Southwest.

SPEAKER_03 49:40

No.

SPEAKER_06 49:41

Gotta get my clickety-clack in once.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

I know, right? You gotta do it at least once. It was called Did I Dream This?

SPEAKER_06 49:52

Airline is a popular reality show that aired on AE from 2004. That was the year I graduated in 2005, one year. That's so funny. I remember watching it with my friend that we talked about.

SPEAKER_07 50:02

It's wildly successful.

SPEAKER_06 50:04

That I'm no longer friends with. Yeah. Focusing on their daily operations, crew, and pastor interaction. Oh, yeah, I remember this lady. Like what I learned from that show is that that's not a job I want.

SPEAKER_03 50:16

No.

SPEAKER_06 50:17

The pastor is not a good one.

SPEAKER_04 50:18

No, thank you.

SPEAKER_06 50:19

And we know that from our friend as well.

SPEAKER_04 50:22

Correct. Yes. I know everything I need to know from that friend that that is not for the first time. Then work with them, exactly. Meet people that wonder they're experiencing what they think is like the worst crisis. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 50:39

They should be considered, I don't know, I'm not defending them now, but they should get hazard pay. They should be considered first response.

SPEAKER_05 50:46

Yes. Unless they're the ones that did that to the guy on TikTok.

SPEAKER_04 50:50

Right. No, but like hazard pay isn't a bad idea for some of these people. For sure.

SPEAKER_06 50:57

It's not a bad idea. I want to hear some airline horror stories because I haven't flown enough to accumulate them. I will say that once I got up to my highest and I flew that asking for the extended seatbelt was I wouldn't say it was hard. It just because my main focus on f it is that I'm scared something bad's gonna happen. I didn't like that I I felt like I was less safe because I had two buckles. That's so good. But that was the most of my I got confused.

SPEAKER_04 51:31

You felt like you were less safe because you had two buckles. Did have I ever told the story of the guy that I the guy who yelled it out and just inspired the hell out of me. I remember flying once and um I was always like I had to ask for one one time.

SPEAKER_06 51:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:48

Two times. Two times. And um and it was I hated it. I hate I w I tried to be so quiet and so discreet and just I didn't want anyone to notice.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

Um now I have to admit something. What? Tell me what do you think I'm gonna say?

SPEAKER_06 52:15

Are you having a prediction in your mind? Yeah, and my anxious flyer brain is absolutely panicked that you f flew unbuckled.

SPEAKER_04 52:23

No, I would never fly unbuckled. But I would, I would accidentally forget that that seat belt extender got put into my bag so that I always had one and didn't have to go through the shameful asking of get having one. So I stole one. I st I put one in my backpack and walked off the plane with it. Um, which I know is stealing. I get it, and I understand it, and it's not great, but the shame was so deep for me of having to ask for one that I just took it so that I would never have to ask for it, and I would always have it in my backpack. Now, the irony is that once I stole one, I never needed it again. I never needed it again.

SPEAKER_06 52:59

That is ironic.

SPEAKER_04 53:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 53:01

You still have it?

SPEAKER_04 53:03

I think I left it on a flight. I actually think that I took it with me. I was like, oh, I don't need this, I'm just gonna leave it on a flight too. I restored correct. I restored, I restored to the universe. Yeah, exactly. Possibly on a different airline, but at least you But it's because I was so ashamed of asking for it. You know what?

SPEAKER_06 53:22

If I had even thought of that, I that might have been something like I bet you can order them on Amazon. I never even thought of that, and then you don't have to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_04 53:30

Oh, you can well, I actually looked for them on Amazon. Yeah, but they're different depending on the airline. Oh, so the the reason I brought that up, the whole seatbelt extender thing, you had said that, but there's a guy. I was flying back from Denver and um I didn't need an extender, but um like three or four rows in front of us, this guy was just putting his bags up, you know, like everybody's just getting on the flight, everybody's getting their seats, and he just yells back, like, hey, we got a couple extenders up here, and just you know, kept on going. And I was like, the way that he just confidently yelled it over his shoulder, like it was no big deal. And I even I turned to my ex and was like, Did you hear the way that guy just like fucking casually just yelled out? Like I would never be that brave, and he just yelled it out. Like I was so I couldn't believe it. Like, look at this guy. I was so inspired by him. Like that guy just didn't fucking care. God, I always tried to be, I always tried to make it like I tried to make it a secret. I tried to make it so quiet. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_06 54:28

Something that I've always done is that I've never wanted to admit how like actually like my br I had dysmorphia as far as like when I would lose weight and then when I would gain a lot of weight. Like I didn't and so admitting it out loud by asking for the extender was like admitting out loud that I was big, but people can already see me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:54

And so I am very inspired by him because he knew that and he's like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:59

Yeah, why do I try like what what's the point of hiding?

SPEAKER_06 55:02

Right.

SPEAKER_04 55:03

Yeah. Yeah, I just kind of just went with it. Like it just it was just so I mean, I'll never forget it. This was four or five years ago. Four years ago probably. And I still remember just the fucking nonchalant way this guy just yelled it out across the plane like it was not even a thing. Just so yeah, I was like, man, that guy, yeah, fuck that guy's that guy gets it, right? Like he just that's awesome. I wish I could be that brave.

SPEAKER_06 55:28

I'm really I'm really excited for you. I was just gonna say, like, on a as hard as that is, and to still experience people are still experiencing that and it makes my heart hurt. But I'm excited for you that you can feel what it's like to fly and not have to do that now.

SPEAKER_03 55:49

Yeah. Yeah. It feels real good.

SPEAKER_06 55:52

Even though it shouldn't happen. But it should not happen. We're living in a world where a lot of things uh happen that shouldn't, and so we can only do our part to protect ourselves from yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

It yeah, for sure. For absolute sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:09

Yeah, it does. It feels real good to uh I know I talked about it because I've been doing a lot of travel recently, but it just it feels real good to to travel in a lighter body. Because the the mind is lighter. It's just the whole experience is just lighter. It's nice.

SPEAKER_06 56:27

I like lighter body. I like that verbiage a lot.

SPEAKER_04 56:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 56:31

I had a milestone last week. You did actually. Yeah, I had well, I it was 15, but today it was 17 since I started out my GLP one. Nice. So that hasn't that's good. That has not it hasn't there hasn't been a ton of movement, you know. And I think it's been 12 weeks now that I'm on it, which I'm You're a slow responder, right?

SPEAKER_04 56:55

Like you said. Is that what it is? A slow responder.

SPEAKER_06 56:58

Yeah. Um well there's fast super responders. Oh, that's right. So I'm I'm uh there's another cute name for the people who aren't super responders. Um, but now I feel like it's um taking into place. Catching up. Because I don't that's not that's not zero, right? Oh my god, not even close to zero. In three months, like there were three months before that I didn't Oh yeah, that's in three months that you've lost 17? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:23

Oh yeah, that's great. That's great.

SPEAKER_06 57:26

Yeah. Nice. So um I'm excited about that, but I still gotta keep it's it's hard work. This is hard work.

SPEAKER_04 57:36

Every day I definitely have to be intentional about what I'm doing and what I'm eating and you know, in my conversation with Alex yesterday, he said something that I thought was really interesting.

unknown 57:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 57:47

I would love to hear more about that. Oh yeah, right. I mean, you talk about a fucking calm and steady grounding presence like that's him for sure. Um I took a bunch of notes when we talk. Yeah, I took a bunch of notes, but um I I I really liked that he talked about the fact that um this what he does now is a way of life. Like it is built into his life as one of the things that he does. So like when you think about exercise um he said, like, no, I I treat myself like a professional. I prioritize my training because I'm because I'm training and like I like I would never say, yeah, uh just I don't feel like I don't feel like feeding the kids today and taking them to school. You know, I just don't I don't want to be a mom today. I just don't feel like it today. I'm just not gonna, right? I would never say that about something that was like part of my identity and my responsibility to do. But there's so many times when we do that, like, uh, I just don't feel like going for a run today. I don't want to do it. I'm not gonna. So he said, like, I I have to train. I put myself on a training schedule and I will prioritize this the way I prioritize anything that is a non-negotiable aspect of my life.

SPEAKER_06 59:11

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 59:11

And he's like, I won't even take a job now if it's if it's incompatible with me being able to do my training and my exercise because it has to be a priority for me. I know. I thought that too. I'm like, that is a changed person, right? Yeah. A changed person.

SPEAKER_06 59:27

And for sure. Hearing that story also helps me reveals a lot about me and where I'm at. Because even hearing that, these bells and these alarms in my brain of like, if I were to do that, it just this word of like it goes selfish, selfish, like that. Oh, that's so selfish.

SPEAKER_03 59:47

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 59:48

Immediately my brain was I and hearing that, but also like my logical brain and emotional brain being proud of him and being like, that's what I aspire to be like that. And then this little voice in my brain was like, How dare you?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:03

Interesting.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:04

What, bitch? Right. Yeah. How dare I live? Interesting. He's done a lot of work. That's incredible. I don't know a lot about his story before he was in on his health journey.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:19

Um well, he's really, yeah, because I'll be I'm gonna be writing about it. Uh yeah. So I would love, I uh you mentioned this earlier, but I would love to hear from any of our listeners uh from a range of sizes, right? Like what's your experience been traveling with people of size, whether you are a normie or you're you know, um uh been a big one your whole life, or you're you know, you're like my my new bestie at work where you were a big one and now you're a normie.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:48

Uh right, like you work in the airlines? Yes, and we know a couple of those.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:53

Yeah. So we'd love to hear what your experience has been with us. Um and I'm also curious, is it just my algorithm that is giving me these things? Like, is this really it seems like it's kind of popping off that there's a lot of shit coming out about Southwest. But you know how this culture we live in just puts us in these little bubbles. So I don't know if that's a real thing or not.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:12

So yeah, but if it's on people, people.com, they're talking about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:18

Oh shit, y'all. You made people said it. You're done sucked up, Southwest. You're done. This is no us magazine. Right, first of all. Oh, I love it. And I love you. Uh where can they where can they tell us about their experiences, Lisa?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:38

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SPEAKER_04 1:01:49

We always need more positive comments on our YouTube.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:53

Oh, yeah. Oh, we have a YouTube.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:55

We are your positivity there.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:58

You can listen to our podcast on YouTube as well. You can watch our podcast on Spotify. We have been uploading videos there. I notice I forget that and I like to pick at my, I'm just constantly messing with my face or putting out chapstick. Carrie asked me once. She's like, is there something you put on chapstick about 10 times? And I'm like, I forget that I'm on camera. So if you want to see me put on chapstick for an hour straight, check that out on Spotify.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:25

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SPEAKER_06 1:02:26

Give us a five-star review if you're liking the show. If you don't, um we have an email address, born thuswaypod at gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:34

Yes, we would. We'd love to hear from our listeners. Yeah. Yeah. It really does. It makes us very, very happy.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:39

It does. Yeah. I we have a listener too that usually emails us a recap, or or not a recap, but uh their thoughts. Their thoughts, yeah. Like their thoughts. And I love it. Me too. I look forward to it. But I get to read through that from him. So shout out to our buddy in California.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:57

Pretty great. Pretty great. Yeah. Well, you've been listening to the Born This Way podcast.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:05

Um what's awesome about that? Everything. Yeah, right. I wonderful bodies. Wonderful bodies, and I just so grateful for all of them. You're so beautiful, Carrie.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:29

I love you. I love you so much. I hope everyone has a great week. Bye.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:39

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