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The Oscars happened, and apparently women still can't just arrive.

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Mm-hmm. Mm-mm. First they have to be starved styled and digitally sanded down. Kathy Bates got edited. Cool, cool, cool. Love being a woman in public.

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Born This Way starts now. Welcome to Born This Way, a weight loss podcast exploring the identity whiplash of untangling a lifetime of body shame. And realizing a smaller size doesn't quiet a bully in our heads. So pull up a chair. Preferably not anything plastic or a rickety stool.

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They said that to me right before we had record. Oh, what a great warm-up.

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Oh yeah. Can I tell you my favorite thing in the world was when I saw that onion article about how Southwest is now a signing chores.

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Let's put it. I need to add it to our Patreon. But I also let's put it on our socials. Yeah, there is an onion article.

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I've got it pulled up. Saying the decision had been reached following an extensive internal review of the company's boarding procedures. Southwest Airlines confirmed Tuesday that passengers would now be assigned chores ahead of time.

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I love when the onion starts coming for you. You know you're in trouble.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

Right? It's almost like, okay, you have a right. Like, okay, we were talking about it, maybe. Oh shit, the onions got a hold of it. You're done, son.

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You know all the execs over at Spirit are like, whoo!

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Fuck yeah, baby.

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They're off our ass. What a relief.

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Everybody's mad. Yeah, everybody's coming for them. Thank God that's not us. Thank God we're just over here trying to earn commissions on how many uh carry-ons we can get people to pay for. No one hates that anymore. They're now they're off to the southwest.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

There we go. They also have carry-on policy.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

I don't know. I just know that Spirit Airlines used to get some flack. I think it was them, right? Because they'd be like, Oh yeah, does that really fit? And then like, I think there was something about how their people were getting like kickbacks, like for everyone that they would get. People when they would people would have to buy a God, am I making this up?

SPEAKER_01 3:08

It sounds like it would be a real thing. It sure does.

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Carry-on incentive. Spirit Airlines previously offered a$5 bonus to employees for identifying oversized carry-on.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

It's like their corporate, their spice five dollars. I like that you said commission though, because I really wish it was a percentage based off like the weight saves.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Oh my god, yes. Oh my god, yes. To get back to the fucking fuel savings.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

You know who doesn't? You know who has big ass seats and doesn't charge you for a carry-on or charge you like over$100 for a one-way ticket anywhere? Is Amtrak. Can we please fund Amtrak and build and put money to infrastructure in this country so we can operate like Europe? There are some beautiful, beautiful trains out there, and they do not have the money to run it. And I slept in one of those sleeper cars when we first met. Remember, I went back to Denver from Chicago? It was the best day and a half of my whole life.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

I mean, it took a day and a half to get to Denver Chicago.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

What's the motion sickness like on a train though? Like, how's that gonna be?

SPEAKER_01 4:23

I didn't sleep great. I don't get motion sickness, but I didn't sleep great because it was a little wobbly for sure.

SPEAKER_03 4:30

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

Um so if you yeah, that would be something that would be probably an issue, especially in the sleeper car. Because I was it wasn't quite like cruise motion sickness where it's that deep, you know, like just kind of nervous. You could feel the giant ship and ocean moving around you with thousands of people, but it was a it was a bumpy ride.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Yeah. I just know that I really enjoy a good car ride. Like I fall asleep in cars like children do, like little babies do. That's what it's like to take me on a car ride.

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Oh.

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Um, and so I wonder if I would actually enjoy the train ride and like that feeling of motion.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Um definitely would.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

When I was pregnant with with my with my first son, um my then husband uh was like, hey, why don't we take you for a car ride so you can get some sleep? Because I had sciatica so bad I couldn't sleep. But yeah, like my back was so bad I couldn't sleep even. But the only place I could get comfortable or or like that could lull me to sleep was the car. So it was like it was like we're gonna be around here a baby. Yeah, it's like we were it was almost like a you know trial run for when we actually had the baby because this was while the baby was still inside my body.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

So that's so funny. And do they sleep well in cars? Does that baby sleep well in cars?

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Uh yeah, they b the my younger son actually is more like me, where just is out. Uh, but yes, well they're used to road warriors like you because you started them young. Yes, yes. Speaking of, I think we're gonna do some road warrioring this weekend.

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Are you? Where are you going?

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Yeah, it's gonna be beautiful this weekend. Have you looked at the forecasts?

SPEAKER_01 6:07

I have not, but I hear the Sandhill cranes out there, so I I know the spring equinox is imminent.

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That's right. It's it's coming, but we're gonna be road warrioring this weekend for sure because we're at least gonna go Saturday and do a hike and stuff, so very good. Yeah. Okay, so we were talking about trains. Why can't they just get their shit together for trains?

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh-huh. Because then we wouldn't have to fly and we wouldn't have to pay five dollars to these spirit employees who are just out there hoping they wish you would try to take a bigger carry-on. They know those restrictions, they're ready, they're gonna collect.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

If I worked at an airport for years, I would also probably be in that state of mind. Every day would be. I wish you would. Every single day, I wish you would fucking I would think that. But like, hello, welcome.

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Yeah. Go ahead and try to leave that laptop in your bag. See what happens.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

It's TSA. Holy crap, did you see they're about to shut down a bunch of airports? Because all right, oh my god. Because there's no there's I read last night that smaller airports are have a threat of shutting down because of TSA absences. Did you see the video too of the TSA agents working that were saying they haven't been paid in over a month?

SPEAKER_02 7:27

Yes. Oh my gosh. It really sucks if you're thinking about booking a plane ticket from that small airport sometime in the next month. Yeah. Like I am.

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Oh yeah. Uh-oh.

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Hey. I may have to drive down here.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

You got an Amtrak station out there? There's Wi-Fi. There's a there's a dinner car. You can go meet people like you're on a cruise.

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Do they have anyone who's like situated at the front who kind of looks like a bouncer and is there to size up people's bodies and decide if they can ride the train or not?

SPEAKER_01 8:01

I literally walked onto that bitch. Listen, I could have taken anything onto that train. I was almost here. How easy it was to go from Millennium Station in Chicago. I walked right on. There was like a lady who didn't was like, oh, there's your seat right there. And I was like, wait a minute, you're not gonna, you're not gonna like spiel me up or put me through a scanner or like intimidate me because of some like my license. They didn't even know who I was. They were like, go ahead, write aboard. It is literally the most seamless experience. Who Mr.

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Mr.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Lisa?

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Mm-hmm.

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Mr. Hot Stuff.

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So tell him we want him to do a will he do a guest segment?

SPEAKER_01 8:40

Will you do a guest segment and say what you said this morning to me that I got upset about because I said you're a normie and I don't accept that as fact. Please. I don't even know the story and I want to hear it. I'm gonna go tell Carrie what you said earlier.

unknown 8:53

Alright.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

She backs you up. Carrie backs you up on it. He s I misheard him earlier because he said it's simple. It's a simple calories in, calories out. And I went, I don't know, just even hearing it from some when you said it, it was fine. But yeah, that's the face I made.

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Yep. It's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

It really showed how good, how biased I am that uh when a normie tries to talk to me about it.

SPEAKER_02 9:20

Yeah, you don't understand. Out of here. So here's the thing. I love that I love that Mr. Lisa just said it so casually, like, well, yeah, it's just calories in and calories out. Like it it might be that simple to a normie like him, right? And like my my point was simply, I mean, that yes, the the logistics of it are easy.

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Yeah.

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But that the logistics and the logistics are easy for some people, right? But they're definitely not easy for others. I would say the logistics are easier for a normie who has maybe never had issues and it's like, okay, well, it's time to crack down a little bit. I'm just gonna do a little of this, a little of this. It's easy, right?

SPEAKER_01 10:02

He's had like a full transformation the last three months because he's like, meh. And I shouldn't downplay his word. He's been down there at like consistently lifting weights. And he'll be like, Oh, I want that cookie, but I'm gonna skip it. And he walks away and I'm like, but yeah, it is like almost like feels like they make a decision. I don't know. I I will admit I am biased that I think normies have it easy that I'm just like, oh, it's so easy for you, you just decide you're gonna do it. I'm sure he there's been days where he's like, Oh, I didn't skipped a couple days, or I ate that thing I probably shouldn't have. Like he still has similar experiences to us during the weight loss um journey, I guess. But it just and maybe it's the guy thing too. I don't know, because we have male listeners, but it just seems so I was just gonna say, what do you think it is?

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Do you think like do you think it's the norminess? Do you think it's the male norminess?

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Maybe both. I don't know, but I like our good friend Scott, I talked to him a lot about it, and his struggle seemed really similar to ours. It was really convoluted in his head.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

I don't want to say his, but I was saying when we discussed it, it was really convoluted in both of our heads, the complic, you know, the complication around it.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

Yeah. It's very complex. There's a lot of tangled, tangled up Christmas lights here that we're unraveling.

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Yeah. Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Speaking of tangled up Christmas lights.

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Yeah.

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Did you watch the Oscars?

SPEAKER_02 11:35

Uh I didn't actually. I didn't even realize that they were on. I hadn't really heard much about them. Just kind of came and went like any other day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Kinda same. I mean, I knew they were happening, but I didn't put effort into watching them.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

I mean, I remember you they used to be a real big deal. Are they still a really big deal and I just don't care about them anymore?

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Probably. I before I had kids, I um had like a we would print out.

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You knew what was happening in the world.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Him and I would vote, and we would sit and do our little thing. He would always win, and I would sit down and we would vote and watch it. We'd watch the Emmys, we'd watch the Oscars. Every year. It was a big deal.

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I heard about the Oscars because you know, the Oscars are always like a you know, the big part about it is like what's everybody wearing? Like it's a big red carpet thing. And I know I only heard about the Oscars because I read about Kathy Bates and how and again I didn't see it, but I I read about it that she apparently there's there's been some retouching of photos of her from the designer that did her dress.

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Yeah, which is so funny you said that because I was uh wanted to Carrie and I wanted to talk about her for a while in the show because we love her as a performer and she's got some pretty iconic iconic roles. Um, and then I saw her at the Oscars and saw that dress and was like, oh my god, like the glam bot. It's my favorite thing. I want to do Glambot so bad. It's like the not a full 360, but that slow motion rotating thing camera. And you know, you can take your big dress and go like it's you're not gonna be able to see me if you're just listening to podcasts, but you go like swoosh and you turn around and it's in slow motion, and it just looks so cool. It's like a slow mode, you just it's like a 180 degree swivel. And I I watched this whole video of Kathy Bates being instructed how it works, and just her she just was so poised, and I love that she was down for the glam bot that she's like, What is it? And you know, this artistic looking dude telling her how to do it, and then she flips her blue dress around and she just looks incredible and she just owns it. And I was looking at that beautiful icy blue dress, and then in some other things I noticed that it was a gray dress. And that's when I s also saw the article you're talking about, or the one of the articles about how um it seems her photos were were pretty heavily edited.

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Yes, by the designer. Like it it sounds like they were yeah, it sounds like they were heavily retouched from the designer of the dress that a made that appeared to make her look slimmer and smoother. Um and I think there is some speculation that it was just to make the dress look better, but like that's real that's some shady biz.

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Yeah, it's bear wang. It was a uh custom bear wang. Interesting because now it is gorgeous, but it definitely smoothing the dress is fine. Smoothing the actor is not somebody wrote, and it sure does look like oh, here's the untouched photo. If you scroll down, it you know what it looks like is the wrinkles from like you know, when you sit down and then you stand up and something with that material and like your pants get those wrinkles. She definitely has them in the untouched photos, um, and they're gone. I just saw it, they definitely changed the shape of her body. Now that I'm looking at them. Oh my uh yeah, it's pretty obvious. They did actually Oh, I see.

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Okay, oh yeah. You can tell. Oh yeah, I'm looking at it right now. It's a really beautiful dress.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

She's already uh pretty thin here. She's this is the thinnest I've ever seen, Kathy Beans. I think she said she's lost about a hundred pounds, so she's already um pretty thin.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

Yeah. She did say in this article, she said she had lost a lot of weight. And she said, people say, well, it was the Ozempic. Fuck you, it was the it fuck you, it was the Ozempic. It took me years to do this. I got this diagnosis about diabetes. I figured out what to do slowly over years to lose the weight, and then when Ozempic came along, I was able to lose the last 15 to 20 pounds and keep it on.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Oh, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

Yeah, so she said she loses she used the Ozempic for her last uh 15 to 20 pounds, it sounds like either way. It's not about it's not about the weight loss and the what she's lost. It's that well, the shenaniganery here, the shenaniganery that I really don't appreciate is that it's like I g I understand the retouching of the dress itself because it does look real wrinkly, right? It looks it definitely looks shitty wrinkly here in like the real picture. Uh-huh. But they have they have brought in her waist substantially in their re and they're retouching substantially. And that's the part that just is just really fucking kills me. And that it's the designer because it just makes me think of, you know, Melissa McCarthy, when she went to the Oscars, said she had to go through like five or six designers before she would even find someone who would dress her for the Oscars. Melissa McCarthy.

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One of the most talented people alive.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

Yeah, like can you imagine passing on someone like her? Like, can you imagine what it would take to be like, yeah, we're not interested in dressing you for the Oscars? Like, she's God.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

And wasn't that around the same time as um the girl who started Precious?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Sit a bay. Uh yeah, Gaboray, Gaboray Citabay. Gaboray Citabay. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

I think that was like she was a winner and people weren't they were struggling to dress her. What does that tell you about? See, that's the other thing where I'm like, I'm sick of this shit.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

I'm getting old.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Yeah, because also remember Tonies.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Well, at the t at the time that that's so true. The Tonies celebrate all shapes and sizes. I do appreciate that. So Gaboray Sidabe, when she was nominated, there was a whole bunch of like there's liter there's literally an article here that in 2010 as an ABC News article, will Gabaret Sidabe's size limit her career? Like this was an article that was published on ABC News in 2010. Um, that was just speculating about whether or not this woman's size would limit her career. So like imagine being nominated for like the highest award that your industry gives out. And people are still saying, Yeah, but look at your body, you're never gonna make it here. Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Like it's just just so and you know what's extra gross about that is that that article or whatever probably wasn't isn't even wrong because of course it does. Because of course it does. I was surprised to see Chrissy Metz the other day in something um from This Is Us. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have a friend who's gone through a transformation and is a performer in uh theater, even local theater. And he was recently in a a front and center role and admitted that that wouldn't have happened prior to him losing 100 pounds. And I agreed with him when I heard him say that because that was something when I was performing. Like we talked about Kathy Bates. She was in her 20s acting, she was playing these, you know, these roles of older mothers or grandmothers that happens in theater. You cast a lot of the bigger people play the um older roles.

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So yeah, I mean, just I can't believe that someone like Melissa McCarthy would have to go through five or six designers before she would find someone who would agree to design a dress for her. But it makes me think. So when I see the the designer editing the photo, I also have to think, okay, well, the designer wants their dress to look good. And for them, they think that means smaller waist is gonna make their dress look better, right? Like there's just a whole bunch of and listen, I get it, I own it, I understand it. I have said it many times on this podcast. I know that I look for shit like this. I understand that. I am predisposed, but it is very hard to argue with things like this when Melissa McCarthy had to go through five or six people before anybody would even agree to design for her. And when the pup the, you know, when the fashion house edits the photos themselves to make somebody look slimmer. Come on. Shenanigans.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

It was Christian Cirano. Christian Siriano, yes, on Project Runway. Ultimately um agreed. And I think he also did uh Gabrier's dress, right?

SPEAKER_02 20:32

No, hers was by Marquesa. Okay, so Oscar bullshit and you know, expectations of women and how they're gonna look and the dress and all that shit. All of that aside, um let's talk about Kathy Bates because I know that she's like somebody that we really admire and think is wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

She was one of the only plus size people I ever saw on TV when I was young.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

I had a special fascination with her because in Denver, um, there's the Molly Brown house. Molly Brown lived there. Molly Brown was a real passenger on the Titanic, the unsinkable Molly Brown. And if you've seen the film, yeah. Kathy Bates plays Molly Brown. And so I already knew who Molly Brown was as like a year old when that movie came out. I was very excited about that movie for many reasons, including I was liked the history of the Titanic and loved that Molly Brown lived in Denver and I'd been in the museum on field trips. So when that came out and I saw it was an actress I knew that was plus size, I was like, fuck yeah, let's do this. She was such a that fun character that kind of like was on the like antagonist side of the rich people, but the one that was like kind of seen through all their shit and had the fun lines around that.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

Yeah, you know, it's funny because Kathy basically. absolutely is like a she is a fucking she's a she is a plus size icon and i've never really i've never really associated her with it because i do think i associate her with roles that are less uh you know kathy bates didn't get the roles of like the leading lady smoke show bombshell effervescent romantic lead right like that wasn't necessarily and so that's often where where the plus size actors and actresses find themselves is in these sort of different supporting roles which in some ways is actually kind of cool because it allows it actually allows Kathy Bates to explore some different characters and options that are like real non-traditional arcs. What a cool experience to get as an actor right right yeah absolutely at the same time though like it also meant for me I was always associated with these kind of odd like her character in fried green tomatoes is like this very it's not like an iconic it's just different. It feels more matronly and then you have the um the misery character right which is just fucking lunatic self did she win the Oscar for that movie surely that's the one she won for because she was so fucking good in that I mean I remember just being like this woman of course she did anywhere I don't yes how could she not? I mean that what a fucking performance that was just I remember seeing that in the movie theater and being like oh yeah shit like this woman is legit she's a yeah she was great it was what a movie too isn't it a Stephen is it a Stephen King novel?

SPEAKER_01 23:31

It was you've never seen misery it's a woman helds this writer captive in her house and forces him to basically write out the ending of his like I think novel series and to her standards and it is it is uh wicked and depraved and kind of fun. She is nasty to him. Oh yeah she's all I thought about the wood the wooden block scene oh god I haven't seen that movie in a long time I'm I'm feeling real triggered right now uh who yeah I mean I just remember it being so like holy shit this woman's fucking crazy but what a compelling performance right I mean she just was stellar absolutely stellar in that movie so good yeah just so good beautiful in her acceptance speech too I'm looking at her oh yeah she reminds me so a little bit of Lauren here I've never seen it in her oh of your friend Lauren my friend yeah like her face she's she's a beautiful woman um she has a great smile she does and she just seems like a warm person she's also too I was really surprised I think she was in was she in Drop Dead Gorgeous I've seen her in some comedies I think she was in or no I know she was uh I was a huge fan of the office she had a significant role for I think at least a season in there as like an executive um and she was so fun in that role she was so good in that role and I was like oh she's a comedian too yeah yeah she's that she's so great in that Joe Bennett that was her character Joe Bennett she always had the to the dogs and the hair oh yes well and and Waterboy Mama Boucher I totally forgot about that that might be another big one for her that people remember her from or at least forget that she was in but she's one of the best parts of that movie. Benjamin Franklin didn't invent electricity I did Benjamin Franklin is a devil she's so good in it great performer I I I feel like her career wasn't held back by her weight but was certainly her roles were certainly defined by it.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Yeah yeah definitely I agree I don't think that I think that's a a perfect take right like she she was never really allowed to get like the big Hollywood roles although well I guess that's not true. That role in misery was an incredibly huge role right I mean that was the role for a woman in that movie but it's because it was a different kind of movie I suppose right like she's not gonna get the summer blockbuster romantic lead. She did say when she was on the office um she had a hard time improvising because she well yeah can you imagine not improvising and being around those people no and they'd been doing it for years at that point because that was toward the at least the second half of the series after Yeah yeah anyway yeah I can't imagine I can't imagine doing that but she did say that it was it was a little tricky for her to do the improv but the cast apparently all thought she was great and really loved working with her and she also has gone on record as saying she's frustrated about the limited roles for older women in Hollywood. So she's had a real prolific career.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

I think Misery was probably my first introduction to her right when was Titanic it was after that maybe fried green tomatoes yeah 97 Titanic's 97 I think fried green tomatoes is in the 80s. Okay got it right so maybe there but she didn't have no it was the same it was the year after misery wow so 1990 for misery 91 for fried green tomatoes.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

Got it okay so yeah so misery was probably my first introduction to her and like after watching that I would have never thought that she would play comedy especially not like on the office right like I would never have pictured her in that role. But then you know she's real versatile.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

I love that she played the comedy and she just has a real easiness about her that I love she does and I love when people transition from serious acting into comedy um it just because it's so surprising right and you're like delighted by it versus I have a we've been I've been talking about like Steve Corell I w watch a lot of his stuff and it's just been really serious the last couple years and it's so it's almost painful to watch because you're I'm just like aching for Michael Scott and it's like he doesn't need to give me that but at the same time I know it's in him so I'm like so once you know that's in someone like I don't I just want to watch them I just want to watch Kathy Bates be Mama Boucher now.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

Yeah absolutely yeah so what a career she's had really just impressive and this um this shit that happened at the Oscars is really unfortunate you know like I I don't did she have any sort of response to it do you know or was it just Stans coming to her defense?

SPEAKER_01 28:36

She ain't got no time for that. 77 she's 77 she's 77 what I do not believe that wow that's really incredible. Oh here's the side by side images oh honey oh oh man oh my gosh it starts like in her bodus where it starts to go in you can see the actual yeah they even changed how the dress is even down to the bottom. Yeah oh and her skin they did they edited her uh chest skin her like uh like her neck her skin right here yeah oh my god her neck is completely I didn't even see that it's totally oh they did her so dirty well I mean I guess or I guess it depends on how you look at it but they did they this is heavily edited I was just looking at the wrinkles okay we'll post um pictures of this on our uh socials if you want to go to Instagram TikTok and YouTube at Born This Way Pod we'll have the side by side images up if you want to take a look at them we found some good side by sides that very clearly show not only the dress being heavily edited her waist and chest being hourglassed in a bit somebody tweeted this is so disrespectful to Kathy Bates this is to the designer delighted to have dressed in incomparable I can never pronounce that Kathy Bates in custom very wang for the 98th Academy words and someone tweeted at this man whoever this person is whoever dressed her in this very wang they said this is so disrespectful to Kathy Bates how are you gonna edit this beautiful lady is she not worthy of wearing the dress without having her waist snatched and her skin smoothed yes to that that's the issue right like why can't we just accept that this woman and listen maybe fix your fucking materials so that they look better in photos.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

I mean the dress looks like shit because it's fucking wrinkled.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

Mm-hmm I love how this girl said they literally gave her a new neck yeah you know what and I bet you after she started acting young so it's I don't know 60 years in this fucking industry she probably she probably does not give two shits or at least it's not I'm guessing Kathy Bates is unbothered. She's giving unbothered and so if anybody should be mad about it I think it should be us. I love that she's giving unbothered by the way I hope she is because imagine what she's been through working in this industry in the public eye being a plus size person.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

For them to have edited her out I bet Christian Seriano wouldn't have done it. Christian Seriano would have celebrated Kathy Bates has said that she's lost a hundred pounds following her hundred pound weight loss she's felt exasperated by accusations that she used Ozempic for a shortcut which is everybody's exasperated about that right like everybody loves to call it a shortcut which is exasperating.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

But she has publicly clarified that her transformation took over six years of hard work not just the medication and she's expressed frustration about that but yeah there's another um there's a big influencer smaller SAM PCOS at some point she had like you know 150 down 90 on my own 60 GLP1 and I was at the time I was like who what why do we have to be who Yeah why do we have to clarify how much we did on our own kind of like don't worry it wasn't all don't worry it was just I was already there guys I was already headed there I just needed to uh an F an extra lift almost as if saying you just did it with all GLP ones is is wrong.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Right. Correct yeah there's definitely an implication there that that using GLP ones for the whole thing is because I for sure felt that way.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

When I started on it I was like well I did 70 by myself and I'm gonna make sure people fucking know that I did that before it got easier. Why do you think we do that? Um I mean do you Now that I'm three months into this I don't give two shits but I could try and channel me three months ago and I think I was ashamed that I was going on it. Why shame I I was ashamed because I was afraid people were gonna think it wasn't permanent if I didn't do it myself. And that they'd always be thinking it's not gonna last because she didn't do it herself. That line keeps coming up a lot when I think about the GLP ones like I didn't do it.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Something did it for you I mean it certainly feels like people are implying that and it certainly feels like people feel pressure to have some sort of disclaimer when they say that they've used them. It's really interesting that Kathy Bates herself has lost a hundred pounds and that it took her six years. But then people just want to say it was like this really quick right like that would frustrate the hell out of me too like bitch have you been watching right like sorry you weren't paying attention but it's not like this happened overnight.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

I know I love her. I love that she said fuck you it was the Ozempic and that you read that out loud that that line she sounds man she sounds like a good hang. Next time somebody asks me that question of dead or alive who would you hang out with I'm gonna hit him with a Kathy Bates.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

Yeah she does seem like she would be super fucking fun. I would invite her to the neighborhood barbecue for sure.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

I mean do we want to talk about the controversy around the thinness at the Academy Awards? Because Kathy Bates certainly wasn't the only you know controversy coming out of that red carpet. This is complicated for me to talk about because I feel like we can't not talk about how many celebrities we're seeing look smaller without talking about this lining up with the surge of GOP ones. I don't even know where my head is on it but I know that I spent several minutes last night watching TikToks of different celebrities on the red carpet that people were saying looked um unhealthy from a thinness standpoint.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

So I this is this is the thing that I read is that ultra-controlled thinness is again being centered as aspirational glamour.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Yes and that was what is definitely what I'm wondering if that's where we're headed. I know you and I have talked about that in the show before and that scares me because I feel like we had moved away from that a little bit versus like the 90s when I grew up when I look back at the women I I idolized the bodies that I wanted to be in and I look at them now and was like Jesus I was like nine looking at these hip bones and these low rise jeans and not there's no one in specific I'll that I can even think of that it was it's more about that they were that was the idealized body type that I saw. Correct it's almost like that was gone. Yeah like it felt like we were celebrating a curvier like a curvier body type Ashley Graham don't know who Ashley Graham is but she's a plus size model um plus size like size six you mean no oh like a real plus size plus size like I don't know like 1618 she fluctuate she's a fluctuator with a snatched face but she is objectively insanely hot so it also is one of those things where it's like she also her face like my face and you know and there's a lot of controversy around a lot of like online plus size models now too who get lipo on their bellies to have a flat belly I don't know I we're also fucked up Carrie what are we gonna do?

SPEAKER_02 36:36

We are also fucked up so this the Oscars thing right like it's it's um it's uh what was her name Kate Moss? Like the cocaine chic of like yeah she was just so fucking thin and it does feel a little bit like we're starting to glamorize these very engineered Jessica Rabbit style bodies right so right the good news I think is that this isn't this like output of just like here's what you're seeing deal with it like it was in the 90s.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

This is a now we're involved in it because of social media so right there's a lot of people talking about it.

SPEAKER_02 37:21

Yes and that's good because they're like you're not gonna get away with photoshopping Kathy Bates neck without us bringing it up we're gonna yeah for better for worse we're gonna bring it up well it's like social media kind of is now playing this watchdog ish type of role right like like they're the ones that are yeah yeah because sometimes it's not great but then other times it's like well look at the only reason I knew about all this Southwest stuff is because so many people were posting about it on the social media right we wouldn't even know that was happening to them before well I mean until that onion article came out and then you know but really like that's the thing like the social media took off so much the backlash was so big to Southwest that in like two weeks' time there's an onion article about it now. Right? Like I mean there so in some ways it's really good that we have that kind of that arm of like keeping people accountable and like I love that somebody I love that it was a social media person who was like listen bitch that's not let's look at your retouched photo you did some you did there's some shenanigans afoot here. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

I have a question for you. Do you think because you know we talked about the statistics with GLP ones that this is the first time in American history the obesity levels are dropping the first time that's ever happened do you think because and we talked about this before like tolerance for fat phobia amongst fat people do you think people are becoming more intolerant all of a sudden because they're becoming smaller and they're losing that empathy that other big people are losing their empathy around it because they're not big anymore or they're not as big. Do you think there's a correlation? Yeah. Because I can't figure out what else would explain it.

SPEAKER_02 39:02

Yeah I absolutely can I mean I do I do think there's a correlation for sure. First of all, the more people lose weight with GLPs the more it's going to be normalized. Second of all, um you know there's a uh I was just talking to a friend about this there's a meta-analysis that came out yesterday of all of the GLP1 studies and the key finding was that most people only can maintain 25% of their weight loss after they stop it. Like after a year after stopping the drugs most people regain 60% to 70% of their lost weight. I part of me wants to say like well we don't know there's not enough long term none of long term studies in this to see if the long term impacts are going to be that but even if people maintain 25% of their lost weight right like for me right now that would be still I can't do math. I'm officially down 95 pounds now. Damn so that would mean I would keep 24 pounds of that would be maintained weight loss. I would gain back 72 pounds 71 pounds. If I went off of them. I think I think what I'm trying to say is right now it's definitely trending that way. And I do think that there are people who have been closet fat shamers who have not done the fat shaming but like now that it's becoming more like it's becoming a standard again. It's like you said Lisa last week when we were talking about Southwest you know there's people that are just they can't fucking wait. They can't wait until a fucking fat person approaches their little their little slice of the airport.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

So there's always those people too yep and that's a sample of people that are gonna stop it. And I don't know how many people are unless they lose access. Like I when I was looking into it a bunch of people are like what if you you know when you come off it when you come out and I was like I don't know if this shit works zero intention to ever stop. Right. Yeah which for better for where I'm not like proud of that statement necessarily I'm not like oh yay I get to live on this minute but I have zero intention you know I mean when I started my shout out to Lexapro you know after my dad passed away that was because my dad passed away and I was struggling with depression anxiety living in a world without like one of the most important people in my life.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Um and he has been gone for 14 years and I am still on LexaPro. Yeah yeah and yeah the fuck we are right and I and I sometimes I think I wonder what I wonder if I'd be a little more creative or you know but I the several times that I've attempted you know that's a whole other story but it's one of those things where how many people who can stay on it who have access to it if we are able to continue to get access to it are willing to stay on it.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

I am right like you were very clear about that when you went on I'm like look I know they're not a long term solution unless you stay on them and you are willing to do that. Right. Um and you're right same as your Lexa Pro, right? Clearly gives you you know benefits. So well this had a real fun ending didn't it? What a fun way to land this baby. What do you think your chores would be on what what chore would you pick on Southwest?

SPEAKER_01 41:58

Oh God. What a great question.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

Like if you had to do a chore on a plane because they the listen the article was assigning things like even doing the beverage cart. How they're going to help keep the plane tidy said Southwest representative Martin Neiman explaining that the airline hoped to streamline the task allocation process by randomly appointing responsibilities at the time of check-in. Those flying standby may refer to the chore wheels posted at fore and aft of the plane of course you will have the option to pay extra if you want a more comfortable job.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

Yeah what about what about like a baby mom a a baby mom daddy parent helper like for the crying baby. Yeah you hear it and you're like I'm coming with Miss Rachel on right I'm gonna be the baby whisperer on this flight.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

And you know what what a what a really helpful role like the rest of us will be really grateful to those baby whisperers on the plane who can get the babies to be and the parents yes yeah that's my I'll do that. Did I tell you the story? I was lucky enough to be flying behind Sawyer and his parents and Sawyer was a cantankerous little fella. He was probably four um and so you see Sawyer's parents had made the m the mistake of feeding him airport sushi. It was a a vomit fest oh no yep little Sawyer so you were the baby you were the baby whisperer no I was the please God let it stop I can't listen to this child vomit anymore. Oh god is that the smell of vomit oh dear god this whole plane's gonna be vomiting soon please make it stop please make it stop oh god airport sushi are you fucking kidding me it was that me sick hearing about it yep shout out to Sawyer and Sawyer's parents who learned a very valuable lesson that day no airport sushi for your four year old hey listeners how do you feel about the Oscars what do you think about Kathy Bates how do you feel about Southwest what chore would you vocally Volunteer to be on the Southwest flight. Those are great questions. We love getting feedback from our listeners. You can leave comments on our Spotify. You can leave like comments on each episode. You can always email us at bornthiswaypod at gmail.com. Like and follow us wherever you get your podcasts. We do have uh VIP listeners clerb, patreon.com slash born this way pod. But we do try to post our various hijinks and shenanigans on there uh throughout the week.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

And the next time you not this podcast episode, but the next time you hear our podcast, I will be 40 years old.

SPEAKER_02 44:37

We had such big plans for your 40th birthday.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

We're gonna hit it for either 45 or 41. We'll see how my career trajectory goes.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

I like it. You've been listening to the Born This Way podcast. Hard to dress for the Oscars bodies.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

Apparently, so hard that like five or six designers would just pass. Same chaos as always. Thanks for hanging with me, Lisa. I'll see you next week.

SPEAKER_01 45:01

Love you. Bye.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

Love you too. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

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