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Welcome to Born This Way, a weight loss podcast exploring the identity whiplash of untangling a lifetime of body shame. And realizing a smaller size doesn't quiet a bully in our heads. So pull up a chair. Preferably not anything plastic or a rickety stool.

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Like I wish that I could put my laptop on like a ladder and then I would have like the, you know, I mean, like it would be this angle, like the Yeah.

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That like that POV when I was 15. It was always like I was looking up like somebody on the top of a roof.

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Yeah. Always this. Hey guys.

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For the yearbook. On like yearbook club. They were like, let's all get together and put a camera on the ground and look down and take a picture.

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And I was like, uh, fuck no. Yes. Sorry, I'm gonna be sick that day. You kidding me?

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Why don't somebody climb on the roof and we'll look up?

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Can I tell you this is wild because I don't know if you if you did this serendipitously or not, but one of the things on my list, so we were gonna continue my list, right? Of like, you know, normie PSA things your fat friends hate. And one of the things on the social nonsense is these goddamn camera angles and being tagged in a picture, like as an act of hostility. Like, do not tag me in a photo without my consent. Like last night I took a pic, I was, I was at a I was at a bar with my fella and I took a picture of us and we looked at him and he's like, oh, delete that one right now, right? Like I would never post something and tag someone.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

I don't do that to normies.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Right. Just because people are so weird about it. It is a They really are. Yes. You know what? I think that is true, that that's one that's pretty universal. I think that's a good thing. It is, but yeah. So this is on the list, huh? Yeah, it was on my social nonsense list. It's mostly like, you know, there are angles for fat girls that like, you know, like they're just angles that we we would say yes to and we would say no to. Um, and I think that I think that um maybe it's public humiliation mini games that I put it in, but yeah, being tagged in photos without your consent and you were not prepared, right? Like I was not prepared, all of a sudden I see it and I'm like, uh no ma'am, thank you, but no, untag. Like I will immediately yeah, but but again, it's a weird thing, right? Because, okay, so here's a here's a man, this list is great. I can't wait. Okay. I guess I peaked.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

I shouldn't have.

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This body dysmorphia stuff though is a real thing, right? Because like I need it, listen, there's something I that I really want to before we get back into the list, and we will, but like I I have a really, really important thing that happened this week that I would like to talk about.

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Okay. Great.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

So I I went on a date on whatever day, Saturday. I went on a date Saturday, and the fella that I was on a date with said to me I was actually talking to him about the podcast that we had just recorded. Like I was talking to him about the like, oh, this is a like things biggins hate. And he's like, Biggins, like it was a and I guess I hadn't used biggins around him yet.

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Uh-huh.

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She's like, Oh, big.

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He's not an avid listener yet. He hasn't gone through the full 30 episode catalog.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

No, not quite yet. And let's hope he doesn't, please. Fingers crossed that won't happen. Um, it's like having somebody read your journal, right? Like, I don't need someone reading my whole entire journal. This is a very personal podcast. You know that. We're we are like we're real vulnerable on here, and that's yeah, we'll let strangers hear it, but but yes, no, listen, if you're in our real lives, you know that for sure, right? I know I don't, yeah. But I use the term, like I said, like we're doing this like biggins, you know, things your biggins friends hate. And he's like, Oh. And he's like, So that's like a term you used to use for yourself. And I'm like, no, so I term I use yeah, I use that term for myself still. I'm still a biggin. Technically, oh I I don't think I think you're a normie. And so then I was like, okay, let's be real for a second. Um I can't be too real because you know, this is a family friendly show.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

But like there are reasons why a man would say something to a woman to flatter her.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Yeah.

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And like immediately I was suspicious and thought, like, well, this must just be an attempt at flattery, right? Like there's no possible way that I would appear as a normie. That's not like I'm not I'm not out here just passing as a normie. I don't think that's happening for me yet. Right? Like I don't like someday I may pass for a normie. Right? But I definitely don't think that that's now. But it was really interesting to hear him say it because it's like, oh, I don't even think of like a biggins, I wouldn't even think of that term. Like I would just consider you a normie, like you're a normie.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

That's fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Absolutely blew my mind.

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Because then Did it make you think it make you question when you will consider yourself that?

SPEAKER_01 5:49

It absolutely did. It made me question a number of things. Number one, was he really sincere or was he just trying to you know grease the skids a little?

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Be extra nice.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

Was he trying to be extra nice and flatter? Um, because I like it's so far out of my I have so much more to go. Like I have a lot more to go. So I I did think maybe it was there was some flattery, right? Like I mean, that's that's definitely a possibility. It's also possible that he just sees me as a normie, and that maybe, you know, the definition of normie is probably for me, normie is a little bit more uh narrow, right, than like what a true normie is. And so maybe I do fit the standard of like a true normie.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Yeah, I think we both have a real specific Yes, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Yeah, yeah. Um, and then yes, absolutely, also the part of me that's like, well, am I ever gonna see myself that way? So last night at the bar I took a picture with him. And I I took a picture with him, and then our lovely friend Jake took several pictures of us. Jake is actually the husband of the incomparable Rory, who I I have talked about previously on the podcast. And she has even said she's like, listen, I take better pictures than Jake does. I understand these things more than he does.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

Uh, but I was reviewing the pictures that Jake took, and I was like, nope, every one of these is a no. It's a no from me for sure. Um, I definitely did not feel like I looked like a normie in the photos. So I did crop one of them and just focused it in on our faces and sent it to the fella. Uh, but yeah. Anyway, so yeah, but it was like wild to me. Like to hear someone say they thought of me as a normie. Like it was, I mean, truly just like a huh?

SPEAKER_00 7:48

Do you think like that? Friends that are in maintenance consider themselves that consider themselves a normie? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

That's an excellent question.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Because I never thought that I would like if I was even at like goal, would because I've always in my head been like well, maybe I'd be thin, but I'd still be fighting to stay there forever and ever. Yeah, because like I would never really like not a uh like normie to me isn't just weight. It's a life. Weight is a symptom of being a biggins. Yeah, it's a lifestyle. And I this is I don't this is not logical. I would not agree with this on paper. I'm explaining in how my brain functions and why I'm empathizing, why you might be so taken aback by someone thinking that of you, but you're not like you like with your big milestone number we celebrated last week, 100 pounds, like you're like so much closer to being in normie range than you were.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Yeah, I'm like 25 pounds from my lowest ever weight. Yeah, yeah. And I was feeling so fucking confident at that weight. Oh, oh my god, this is another wonderful thing. It's been a really great week. So I had that, right? And then this PJG says, like, oh, you look like a normie, and I'm like, uh-huh. Um, but then also I went shopping in my downstairs storage closet. I knew, I was like, don't I have a bag of clothes down there? I had a big bag of clothes down there that I have not been able to wear since before my 13-year-old was born. And I'm taught there's everything. You were not a mom. Correct. So there's and there's shirts and jeans and like panties, like there's all sorts of shit in there. Like just tongue. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

And so I got some free mom songs somewhere downstairs in the basement. They were expensive, so I hung on to them. Rise like listen. One day. Uh thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

Yes, we just never never lost hope. And look, here we are, right? I never lost hope. So yeah, I love it. Like I and I have like I I have a couple new, like great pairs of pants, like old like good, like, you know, some old navy like work staple type clothes, like just good stuff that I can actually like wear now.

SPEAKER_03 10:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

And so I'm almost, yeah, I'm like an I'm almost in a an exciting size for me as well. Yeah, it just feels really, just feels real good. And I am closer for sure. But the thing that I'm finding now though is like, God, it's so much harder to fight for the pounds to come off, right? Like, obviously, you know this, but like the more you lose, obviously the the more like locked in, bro, you gotta be. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Every those first that those beginner gains are like, oh, all I had to do was stop drinking six full throttle cokes every day and I'm down 20. This is gonna be a breeze.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Right, exactly. It was so easy. I can't believe I didn't do this a long time ago. Yeah. Uh yeah, and the other the other great thing I'll say that happened this week was I had a real long day on Tuesday. Worked, I'm doing this, I'm doing another class with that. You are a direct class that yeah. Yeah, it's like a it's like a beta test. Like you you have to do it with somebody who's done that that class that I did before. Okay. So my friend who did it and I are gonna do this other class together. So, like, so Tuesday I worked all day. Then we did like a class at the end of the work day, right? Like in the evening, tucked it in between that, had a quick dinner, went to watch con uh went to watch my older son's soccer game. And so by the time I got home, I've had like just a really jam-packed day.

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Yeah.

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It's 8 30, and I'm like, I gotta fucking go jog. I don't want to do this. Like, I was bargaining with myself, all the things. And then for my hundred pounds lost, I ordered um myself a new pair of beats, and they had come in the they had arrived that day. And so I was like, it's a sign. This is it. I'm I can I can absolutely go for a jog if I got these new beats. So I plugged them in.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

Oh hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

And they didn't work. Um, yeah, the one of them is not, it's not rec like sometimes they're weird where it doesn't recognize one, and I've tried all the workarounds and it's not working, so I'm gonna have to send them back.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

Yeah, that's an extra.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

But then I was like, okay, I have every that's all that was all I needed, right? Like that was all I needed to say, like fuck pack it in. We're not doing it. Fuck it. I'm not doing it. It's been a day. Um not only did I go out and do the jog, I I ran a five, like I ran a 5k. I just did like a three-point whatever mile. Just a casual, you know, Tuesday night five.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Just casual Tuesday night. I watched you run a 5K and sob because it was such a big deal.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

And that's right. And you're telling me now you're just, what do you mean? What do you mean you're gonna do it? You just run out of 5K on a Tuesday after that kind of day, too. That would be the kind of day it could be so easy to be like, those are the kind of days I have where I'm like, absolutely shut it down. I deserve to do whatever.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Shut it down, exactly. I deserve to not have to go do that. Right. I deserve to be, you know. Yes, I deserve to get have a treat. I look at the day that I treat. Yes. And then I mean, the triumphant of the beats coming in and then them not working, like it was such a like I'm gonna do it anyway. Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Because you were like, Well, I might as well I have my beats, so I'm gonna run, right? And then you even what propelled you into deciding to do that wasn't even gonna work. And you were like, I guess I'll do it anyway. Yeah. How are you tapping into that? Are you using that as momentum when things don't work out? Is that how you've like cracked this code? I think so.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

I think you know, um, I think I said it before that Alex, when I talked to Alex and he said, like, this is just what I do now. Like there's it's not negotiable. This is just a habit. So for me, it's okay, I'm not gonna miss, like, I can't miss two days in a row, like at the gym. Like, if I, if I'm if I don't do something two days in a row, that's gonna push me right out of it. So I could take a day off, I could take a rest day. And if I'm listening if I'm really injured, right, like I'm not gonna go kill myself.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

But it sounds like you have a healthy relationship around.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

Correct. Yes, like when I'm capable, I know I can push myself. Like my bare minimum now is like I can go jog two miles. Like, whatever's like I can just do two miles, I can do that. So I could like I can at least do that, which is fucking wild.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

It is, I have to say that out loud. My friend who listens this week was like, Did she just say she just went and ran for 4.4? Because she's just absolutely killing it. Like, I was listening to your show and I did I hear her say she just ran 4.4 miles. Yeah, it's like you did, you did. She's an absolute beast.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Yeah, yeah. Like I think back to the woman who like last whatever it was when I started working with Beebs, right? I think it was August, maybe. Yeah, yeah. And he how he was like, Well, just run and see how long you can run for. We just need to get a baseline. And I was like, it's not even gonna be like a minute long, like it's not even gonna be a full 60 seconds. And he's like, it's okay, just do it. And then yeah, I didn't remember it ended up being 20, and that was such a triumph. And then now it's two miles is just my like, that's my easy, I can go do that. That's gotta feel so good.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

So I interrupted my question. About like, is that what so like talking to Alex was really insightful for you, which um for the listeners is somebody very athletic, we know. Um and you think just making it part of who you are.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

Yes. You know, Beebs talks about this too. He says there's like this, it's like this uh, it's almost like a triangle, right? It's like, okay, so first you have the you have the thoughts, and then they become your beliefs, and then those beliefs become your actions, and those actions become your habits, and then eventually becomes your identity. So it's like it works all the way up that way. And then reality. Yeah, so he's like, nothing is real until this part here. He's like, you can think all the things and believable things, but until you hit here, it's not real.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

And then soon enough. Oh my god, I know. I haven't written in one of my journals. Oh my gosh, let's build it and put it on the Patreon. Oh, I want to get some digital. Yeah, that's a wonderful idea. I love that. Tell me the foundation again, though, because that seems really important.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Yeah, I feel like it he said like it starts with like just the thoughts that you think, but then it's like whichever thoughts you you choose to focus on, those then become your beliefs, right? And then it's those beliefs then have to turn into actions, and those actions then become habits, and those habits are routines, and that becomes your identity.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

How can you, oh my gosh, I just had this like spark of an idea, like I love it. How could it not turn into actions? Because the actions are so hard, and like, you know, I'm still struggling with that, so it's like, but if I believed it, if I believed that was the kind of per like you believe you're the kind of person who does that now. So how could you your actions not reflect your beliefs?

SPEAKER_01 17:30

Because my beliefs, exactly. Yeah. Because I believe that I am capable of doing these things now, and I believe that I don't need to make excuses anymore. I believe that going and doing it is going to make me feel so much better than how it's gonna feel when I make an excuse and feel, you know, like shit later because I've made an excuse. I mean, unless I actually really, like I said, like if I'm really injured, and listen, there have been ti there have been times along this since August that I have gone more than two days. There's been some travel things, right? And things where it's like I did my best with what I could, but um, but yeah, I mean, it's pretty much that's it, right? Like I'm not gonna go, just not gonna go two days without it. And honestly, my my mental health, I think, suffers. Like I there have been a couple times even when I've said to a friend, like, oh, you know, I think I was so crabby yesterday because that was I hadn't worked out for the previous two days. And it's a really fucking weird thing to put that together. But I have, I have in fact done that and put that together um a couple of different times. But I'm gonna find out.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

I mean, that part is proven, right? Like that's the funny part about like our old mindsets where it's like they have so much science and so much research behind the physiology the physiology of what exercise does to you, you emotionally, physically, mentally. Yes, yes. And so you're reaping the rewards of that. Yeah, because you could.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

I mean, and I definitely know that now because I am doing it even when it's raining, right? Like I've I've gone out and done several jogs in the rain now. Um the other night, actually, when I was doing my three miles, it felt like a race against a clock because I knew I wanted to hit three miles. I had bargained with myself and said, if I only do two miles tonight, then I have to do two more miles tomorrow morning. So if I can get to three tonight, then I don't have to get up tomorrow and do it. And I did. Uh, but there was beautiful, it was you would have loved it. There was beautiful lightning in the sky because there was a storm kind of coming in. And where I run is out in this neighborhood big open area where there's like a cornfield across the way and you could just see the storm coming in. It was so beautiful. It was a beautiful night for that jog for sure. And that's another thing, like finding a time when I want to do it. I bought a light now, so I have like this flashing light that I wear so people can see me if I'm jogging at night. Because I much prefer to jog at night so that well, still, still part of that is so people don't see me. I prefer to not be seen when I'm huffing and puffing my way around the neighborhood. Um, but also because it's cooler and the like it's like that warm air. Yeah. Oh god, it's a fucking vibe. I loved it. I loved it. Yeah. Big wins this week.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Good. I'm gonna take that. I need to I kind of get stuck in the like, well, my thoughts, well, my thoughts, well, my thoughts. And I have a lot of thoughts I feel like I can't control because they just pop up and then I feel guilty because I'm like, well, maybe I'm just a pessimist or I'm not doing good, but maybe that I'm a I have that awareness and I can move up to the next part of the pyramid around the beliefs, and just start yeah tricking myself into believing like that I can and be like, no, I don't. That thought doesn't align with this belief. Correct. So get it out of there.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

Yeah, get out of it. One of the one of the most get get on, yeah. One of the most powerful things that Christopher James taught me, and Bebes also reinforced this, you know, they were they're born from the same person, so go figure.

SPEAKER_03 20:59

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Um, is that your mind is like an instrument. Like I can I can play certain notes on a clarinet to produce a C or a D or an E, right? Because I can manipulate the instrument to produce the sound that I want.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

Your mind is the same way. You you can think those thoughts, but you you immediately have the control to go, nope, I choose to think this instead. And you have the power to use your mind like an instrument to produce the desired notes.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Ooh, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Fucking powerful reframe, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Yes, because it's fucking true. Right. Like, yes, those thoughts are gonna happen, but I don't have to then go, oh my god, that's right. I am a piece of shit. Blah blah blah. I go, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

This must be some instinctual reality that I have to accept because I thought it. Like I know some people. Right, exactly. I like that. Stop it. Right. Like, I'm sorry, like, well, my intuition, and I'm like, no, that's not your intuition, that's your natural negative human mind. Oh, Carrie, I love that so much because then you can pick the song you're gonna play and be like, no. I don't want to play. Here's the one. Here's the um sheet. Yeah. Here's the sheet. And I'm gonna give it to my brain. You play this. Correct. This is what I'm gonna conduct it. Yes. Very good.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Yeah, it's great, isn't it? Super powerful.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

Oh my gosh, those are two really powerful analogies.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Nice. I like it. And you know me, I love a good music analogy. Signer for a good music analogy. Did you have any public humiliation mini games you sat through this week?

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Through this week? Um probably. And I got like a mini, it's I guess it's I don't know if it's official, but I got a promotion at work. So that's been keeping me a little busier. So um and I've just kind of found my stride with like these are I've never been in a role at this level, like leadership. I've been like an individual contributor, and it's just I've had to really find my like, I just have to be direct. I have there's part of my personality that has not had to do that, and I don't I don't like to do it. It's uncomfortable. There's people pleasing and trauma behind it. So I've just been practicing being real direct because when I'm done with that job, I get to go do this. I get to go do stuff outside. And so I've realized the more efficient I can be at my nine to five, the more I get to go do like the stuff that I'm working the nine to five to get to go do. So I've just felt my god, I love this realization for you.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Yeah. Right? Like it's almost like you have now found a way to go like, no, no, I don't have to be a people pleaser. I don't have to create and spend so much time agonizing over this, this and this. I'm just gonna be direct and that's gonna be efficient, and that's gonna really allow me the time and space to do the things that matter to me. Right. That's fucking awesome. It's great.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Because I have realized, like, even if it seems curt in the messaging, like I I've talked to my um hubby about this quite a bit because he's very good at being, he's he only shares as much as he should. And he's but he's very nice. It is, but he's a nice person. He's well liked, so I ask him a lot for this.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

I'm just kidding. You guys, he's the best, the best to ever do it. He really is. He knows that I love him too, and he'll love that. He'll love that I said that too. I think he'll laugh. Um because he's probably listened to all 34 episodes, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:20

He I don't think he's listened. No, seeing that going through the catalog. He's got his uh his ringer podcast to listen to. Knows all these he knows all these trauma stories anyway. Have accepted that, you know, I it's and I heard this in therapy once, like, you're a good person, Lisa. Like you've proven goddamn it. You've proven you're nice. So if you need to be a little direct to somebody over your slack at work, then you can be a little direct. And I'm not being mean, I'm just not like sending ex five exclamation points and writing lol or being like, Can you um when you have time, I'm just asking for what I need because I need it. So yeah, it's been not really helpful for me.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Women especially are so guilty of using those qualifiers.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Yeah. Yeah. I run it through AI a lot. I I have something called boundary barbie mode, and I say put BB mode on, and I'll run through my like, hey, could you please when you have ch and it's like no no, it sends me back something I told it how I want to come off, and it'll run checks on it for even Slack messages. It sounds like I'm an AI psychosis, but it has actually been really helpful for me to learn how I could still be me, but also be a little bit more efficient being me.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Love it. I really do love it. I think this is real fucking growth, right?

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Like so many of us are struggling, I was suffering because I couldn't figure out, I didn't think it was for me. But yeah, but I also would like a house to live in. So work is for me, as my husband says. He's like, I I know maybe you think it's not for you. Trust me that it is. So you gotta figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

I think you're figuring out. I gotta tell you, the second you came on, even today, even just the way you were chatting, like so Lisa and I, like we have to coordinate a schedule, right? Like we're listening this is a very make it work podcast, y'all. Like we get it in when we can get it in. And so the stars align for us to do this right now. So, but even in our even in the demeanor of our texts before this, I could tell like you're just happier, you're lighter. Oh, good. Something's lighter with you, right? Like it feels like you are making great strides and figuring out you just seem lighter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

I did send you one yesterday that says, I am a prisoner.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

I don't know if he's an okay, maybe. Yeah. So I have a question for you. Let's let's get into this list because you said the the weather's been getting nicer. Yeah. And so I'm wondering, like, I would like to start back up with our um, we have three more buckets, and the first one is is physical traps. So all these different physical traps. So these are beginning on. Yes, that your biggest friends hate. Yes. We started this last week. Really hate these things. Yes, last week we started because we were talking about clothing crimes and how don't make me revisit this one size fits most. You're you're rude. You're rude, OSFM. Get the fuck out of here. Um, yeah, but we talked a lot about clothing last week, but we have three other buckets, so we're gonna get into those other buckets of things you're fat friend Tate. And one of them is physical traps. If you are a regular listener of the podcast, you will know that we mention a physical trap in the very intro to this show when we say pull up a chair, preferably nothing plastic or a rickety stool. Both physical traps that I have encountered, and so have many of you. Yeah. I have a friend. Um, she was she was like my best friend for a so a huge portion of my life. And she um came from a family of biggins of lady of ladies, right? So there were men were not present in their life. This was an all-female biggest, they all most of them were large. And um her aunt and her mother, she lived with her aunt and her mother and her cousins and her sisters. And um her aunt and her mother were at a bingo hall, but the chair she was sitting in was one of those plastic you know, the very flimsy-looking plastic desk chairs that look like they could go under at any minute, right? Like they're real like an output. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, exactly, like that. Yes. And it happened. It went completely flat on her. Oh, it went out that way, the floor. Oh, yes, like it underneath her, and she had to like grab onto the table, and people had to help her.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

Oh my god, had a beer ball.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

So reverberated. Oh god, yes. And then that with the legs going out that way is visually like those chairs are are never, ever a yes from me. Ever. I stand. If that's my and listen, please, everyone out there, please know if your fat friend is standing and there are chairs that are available, do not offer them the chairs that are available. Trust that they have surveyed the scene and have chosen to create in the chairs.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Oh my gosh, that still happens to me. I don't like anyone offering me a chair. Right. For any reason. And not in like the fun metaphorical sense of right thing. But in like a I will decide.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Like I'll find it here if I need it.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Yeah, it's like don't make it weird, Jerry. I don't want to sit down right now. Like, let's just move on from this, right? Like, I'm perfectly fine to stand. Uh, because I would rather stand than sit in a chair that I think is gonna be a physical trap, right? Like they are literally physical traps. Um, so those flimsy plastic chairs, and I always think of that friend and her aunt. And her aunt, by the way, like what they her mom and her aunt were the cool sharpest tongues, so fucking funny, right? Of course.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

Um, and of course, when her aunt got back into her chair and got resettled, she goes, Do you think anybody noticed?

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Do you think the rest of the bingo hall was just like when you see somebody trip and you know they're okay and you're like, I try and so yeah, I never ask if if I see they're okay, I pretend like I didn't see to help minimize slim. Listen, I'm gonna fall out for them emotionally. So hopefully everyone in that bingo hall was like, I'm sure they were heads down daubing away. No doubt, right? Like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Uh okay, so we those are trapped. I mean, plastic chairs. Yes, flimsy plastic chairs, those Adirondack chairs that I would need like a crane to lift my body from them. I have right, you know, the ones that sit like a fucking six inches from the ground.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Yeah, we have those out in the backyard. That's what the neighbors, that's what the chairs I'm usually offered are. I mean, I figured out this point to slide forward onto the highest front of the park. And then go. But if they're plastic, it's a lot harder to do that because when you slide, they come with you. Oh I have wooden ones.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

They were not cheap, but yeah, but even the wooden ones, I'm like, I can't fucking get out of this thing. But yes, maybe that's the trick. I need to slide all the way to the front.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

But I really do feel like fat girl trip tip fat girl tip for getting out of an Adirondack. Slide, slide that booty to the front and then lift. So that you at least have some um you're a little higher off the ground.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um yeah, I have lots of chairs actually on this list. Any chair described as sleek. You sure do. Nope, not for me. Uh uh, I don't sit in chairs that are called sleek. Uh that usually just means real fucking flimsy. Um, theater seats or stadium seats, like going to Cubs games. I love going to Cubs games with my boys. It is one of my favorite things to do. Yeah. But my hips hurt so bad when I leave that place because those chairs fucking dig into my sides. And many theater and stadium seats are like that, which is unfortunate for someone who loves concerts as much as I do. Um, but I mostly stand for the concerts that I go to. I also I don't know if this is fatties or if this is maybe there are some fatties who like them, but I don't like the high top chairs, the high stools and tables. No. Oh my god, wait, we're not to social social nonsense yet. We'll get to that. That's part of social nonsense for sure.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

It is. Oh my gosh, I could tell you wrote this. Be so serious. Beanbags.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Be so serious. Be serious. Beanbags, be serious. Be fucking serious. I mean, I literally just had an experience with a folding chair this week. So I play Bunko. I have a great group of talked about it on the show before. I have a great group of ladies I play bunko with. Um and you know, we have to set up multiple tables at Bunko, which means we're often using a folding chairs and tables and you know, folding chairs. Yeah. Come on, come on. Uh there have been more than one incident when I've made a folding chair and make a noise where I'm like, uh uh oh god, I'm just gonna but like I can't stand, can't stand at Munko right away.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Uh you had a QA in chairs. You know, in my backyard with my neighbors, I have like an ongoing bit. They're probably tired of it where every time because we have the pool ladder to go into each other's yards, which somebody the other day, one of the grandparents, was like, Would you guys install some gates? And we were like, Oh, we could. But the pool ladder is 40 bucks, yeah, because we use them every day. But the pool ladder every time I go over it, which by the way, this summer is I used to when I turned around, my foot would get stuck because I couldn't quite get all the way up and I'd have to kind of knock my shoe off to get over and then pick my shoe up. Um, this summer my leg, I we climbed up it the other day and it went whew right over. Twice. So that was fun. Um but I make the joke every time I go over it. I was like, all right, I'm QA'ing it for everybody. Nobody laughs. Absolutely. Makes everybody uncomfortable. Yeah, well, that's what we do, don't we?

SPEAKER_01 34:24

It's just like the people in the store when I say, Where's the where's the section for the fatties?

SPEAKER_00 34:28

They just pretend like they don't hear us. They're like, okay. I hope they're laughing on the inside though. Like that's a pretty good job.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

Yes. They do though. Sometimes they just pretend like they don't hear us or they just ignore it. Yeah. Um, did you see that pool ladders is on this list of physical traps? No.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

This is a very accurate list. Pool ladders come and else though. I'm stuck I'm pretty much stuck if they don't have the cement stairs or the that little flimsy asset. Yeah, that battle thing. Luckily, sometimes it'll be on the bottom too, attached to inside the pool, but sometimes if it's just coming out of it and it starts to shake as you're going up.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

Fighting for its life as you're trying to climb up the fucking thing.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

Just the time where you want to be drawing attention to yourself in a bathing suit as you're exiting the water, too.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

And your ass is in the air as you're climbing up a ladder.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

It's great. This is such an accurate list. Okay. Right?

SPEAKER_01 35:24

What else? Okay, so we did we did all the chairs, right? But before we move on from chairs, it's not just like card table metal-y folding chairs. I'm also talking about those wooden, like white wedding folding chairs. Those are fucking hell. With the little pads on them. Yeah. Yes, they're fucking hell for fat people for sure.

SPEAKER_00 35:40

Or yeah, not even the pads, the ones without the pads.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

Yes. And any chairs with arms that are like designed for a Victorian child. Like, come on. That's not any arms.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

Get out of here.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

Truly. Truly. Any arms. Any arms on chairs. It's very generally another.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

Like the solid walls almost. Sometimes I'll just sit in those and I'll be like, let's see. It almost is like it's a measuring, like before roller coasters. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Dare you to sit in? Okay. So we're all right.

SPEAKER_01 36:13

We've covered a lot of ground here on the physical trails because there's many chairs in here. But you also mentioned the booth thing. Do you you ask for a table and not a booth, right?

SPEAKER_00 36:21

No, I do booths, not tables, because of the chair specifically. Got it. Okay. And then also if we have, we are often approached with a booth slash chair setup. Chairs. Yes. I get my husband sends me, he takes the chair because he knows I prefer a booth. Nice. I've just realized how much he's how much I have him trained. He's Yes. You do. You got that one trained real well. Make me feel comfortable in public.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

It's wild though, because a lot of fat people, you know, don't like the booths because the booth if it's if it's immovable, you're real squished between the booth and the table. Many tables are like you can't move them.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

Yeah, they glue them to the ground. Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

And so there's very little room to maneuver between a booth and a table when you have a booth. Yeah, you absolutely do.

SPEAKER_00 37:07

Mine's always been the hips, but because I have bigger hips, maybe that's why I've like more apple-shaped, I've leaned into that. But I have had a I have had to shimmy my way getting real close to the glued-down booth table to get in and out this way.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Yep, a little shimmy for sure. Um other physical traps, uh turnstiles, like turnstiles at um like I don't know why they have one at the fucking home improvement store here, but they have one where you gotta walk through a turnstile to go inside. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 37:40

But yes, turnstiles when you're going on like the subway or public transport or even fucking amusement parks or whatever. Um and then let's just talk about um, you know, like bathroom stalls. I'm not just talking, I mean, listen, the air I think the airport bathroom is something that like I think even normies are like, come on, this is real tiny, right? Like, but I guess and normies should at least be able to maneuver in them, right? Like airplane bathrooms are really, really yeah, for sure. But I mean, any like even just public bathroom stalls, like it's sometimes it's like a game of fucking Tetris. Like I fly a lot, and so I'm like, okay, I gotta get my suitcase in here and angle my suitcase and then back up this way two steps so I can open the door. The door opens in instead of opening out. So like I gotta Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

Oh, that's the worst.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

Yes, and if you don't have clearance between the door and the toilet, it's like, where am I supposed to fucking be here? Right, right? I swear to god, it really is, especially when you have, like I said, when I'm traveling and I have luggage, it's like a game of Tetris, but some bathrooms are just so fucking tiny. Even regular bathroom stalls are just real real tiny. Um, I remember going to Scotland last year uh with a group of of people from my coaching program, and um I remember the bathroom was so fucking tiny. It's like, oh god, these bathrooms uh in the fucking apartment in Scotland that we stayed in. It was real tiny little European bathroom.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

It was like daring the Americans. Correct. Like I dare you. Fucking, yeah, yeah. Come on in. Enjoy your enjoy your stay. Um, okay, now I have some other like public, public trap type things, like um like rope bridges. Have you ever gone on a rope bridge before?

SPEAKER_00 39:31

Or like a suspension bridge? Never never have, never would. I don't know if I've been presented with the opportunity to. Yeah. Maybe in like a playground situation.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

Yeah, playground or public park.

SPEAKER_00 39:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

Public park, but like I've been presented with one that went off like it was a suspension bridge, right? Okay. Uh-huh. But like it's not concrete. I mean, I'm talking about there, yeah, no. It's just a fucking no from me. I'm not gonna I don't know how much my life. Yeah, no. Or I could just go around. Great. I'll just go around. No problem. I got no problems going around. I'll be happy to do that. Um be so for real, Willis Tower, with your fucking glass balconies. Are you fucking serious?

SPEAKER_00 40:10

You oh, I have a picture when I first moved out here and I went there and went up and you walk out on the glass balcony. Yeah. And I don't even I'm not a huge fan of heights.

SPEAKER_01 40:24

I don't know how. I there's no fucking way. I would be like, how how much is this glass tested against? Like, is there a so funny? Yeah, no, I probably shouldn't have, but yeah, or like any, like honestly, I've been on some deaths before where I'm like go back inside. Just gonna play it safe and go inside.

SPEAKER_03 40:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

Yeah. So there's those things for sure. Um also again, this might be some of this might just be my neuroses, but I wonder if there are other big ones who relate to this. When I'm walking around like a big city that has like the metal grates on the sidewalk into whatever, oh yeah. Yeah, I don't want to be a news story about the person who collapsed into the metal grate because they were so fucking fat that the metal like literally just collapsed underneath them and they fell through. So I just walk around them. Yes, I don't need to be.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

You see, she just got arrested.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

Oh, come on, baby Jessica. We're we're voting for you.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

We were all voting for you.

SPEAKER_01 41:33

Hashtag Trobat.

SPEAKER_00 41:37

You're gonna be in your in the news twice in your life, okay? I'm gonna give you make them count, Jessica.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

What'd she do, Jessica? God, can you imagine being her? Oh no, thank you. So much pressure.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

Uh Domestib. Uh oh, she's we're the same age. She uh is got a mugshot. There she is coming out the well. Oh, that poor dirty baby. Yeah. We were the same age. I wonder when her birthday is. Oh, look at her and President George Bush. That was a bigger story. Damn.

SPEAKER_01 42:22

Ma'am, I remember watching that coverage. This was back times were so much different than like there were not that many news channels. Right. Right? It wasn't like a 24-hour news network type situation. I mean, people were that was like round-the-clock coverage on like NBC's major news, like that's wild. Like station. Oh my god, yes. I remember watching it with my parents. I was so invested in it. So I would uh again putting on that empathy hat, like I would imagine that baby Jessica probably is like, Jesus, okay, the whole world watched as they save my life. I guess I better go make it, you know, count for something. Like that's gotta feel like some pressure, I would imagine. I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing.

SPEAKER_00 43:04

58 hours? She was in that well for 58 hours riveting.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Like it was a thing.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

Yes. Yes, yes. Yeah, when I worked on the 80s station, we talked about it a lot. A lot of people born March 26, 1966. This girl was born five days before you. Yes. Wild. Baby Jessica. What are we doing?

SPEAKER_01 43:24

So, yeah, of course, you don't remember because you were a baby at the time.

SPEAKER_00 43:26

But I was not Lisa. I was I'm sure my mom was like, Oh, could be my baby. I'm gonna have to ask her about that because we're similar in age.

SPEAKER_01 43:37

Yeah, for real. So similar.

SPEAKER_00 43:38

Like early. I won't judge her for whatever she's in trouble for, but just a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 43:44

I also would not want to ride like a bucket down a well. I also think that would be a physical trap I would avoid, probably. Yeah. I feel like I would get stuck in the well. Like they couldn't maybe Jessica me out of there. They'd be like, Oh, she's a fatty. I guess she's just gonna have to die down there.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

You know, like kind of like when they when people go hiking and they have to helicopter them out on the stretcher. Yeah, and they're like, well. And I start spinning around. Did you see that lady that it broke and she spun so fast? You've not seen that video, Carrie. I'm gonna pause this podcast. You have to go. You had this poor woman, the helicopter, they forgot to attach. There's something so that it doesn't spin, right? Where do I find it is the most I watched it about 20 times the other night when I found it. This woman is okay now. She didn't sue their asses. Is it on TikTok? What do I search? It's put senior hiker spins out of control. It's already on there. Helicopter rescue of injured hiker in Arizona spins out of control six years ago. I she broke her nose hiking and they had to. Please, can you please watch it? I'm not I'm looking for it right now. I should my phone.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

I'm senior.

SPEAKER_00 45:06

I think her podcast listener should also pause it and go watch it. She's okay. She's okay now, but are you watching it? Okay, I'm doing senior hiker spins out. I don't know. Should I share the video? Here, watch. No, I watch it on the on our screen. We watch it on our screen because then it'll be on our video. I don't know if what I have is right. So hold on. I'm gonna share my screen just so that you have it.

SPEAKER_03 45:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:39

Oh shut up. You ready? Okay, good. She's safe right now. Uh she was probably pretty pretty scared in this moment and I think she won some money from Arizona. Just so you guys know before we watch this, okay? Yeah. Can you hear it?

SPEAKER_01 45:58

Oh yes, now I can't.

SPEAKER_00 46:00

Alright. So if you're listening, they're lifting her up now from the EMTs on the ground. Basically, there was something missing that they forgot to attach.

SPEAKER_01 46:15

Well, I gotta let it back down and try to get out of control.

SPEAKER_02 46:28

Definitely passed out by now.

SPEAKER_03 46:29

Oh my god. No way! Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

Slow that down.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

Oh my god, that's that's slowed down. They're just gonna fly away with their spinning like that.

SPEAKER_01 47:00

Oh my gosh. That is not good.

SPEAKER_03 47:04

Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 47:07

So she's okay now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:11

Oh man, she had to have just won money. Yeah, right? She was. I would think.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

I like that that guy recording it was like, she probably passed out by now how fast they're going through the G Force and that. She broke her nose. That's why they were helicoptering out of the canyon. Um probably really not fun. She was 74. Anyway, um what a rough day for her. But that is when I think about hoisting, what would happen to me?

SPEAKER_01 47:41

Yeah. Um yikes. Yes, like how would they, yes, for sure. I have big, big thoughts about being hoisted for anything, really. Right? Like, I remember at the tough mutter, the hot ass guy who was like, I lift I lift patients for a living. And I was like, Right, no. Like for some reason, I thought, you've never dealt with anything like this before. And he's like, I do it for a living. And I was like, sir, you're you're so beautiful. You don't understand. You're so hot.

SPEAKER_00 48:13

My shoulder out of the socket. I will be injured.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

And like I, you're also very hot. Did we cover this part of how hot you are? And you're like a good Samaritan. He was real hot. I didn't say this, but Luke wants to do uh the mini triathlon. So when I do the sprint try, like Luke went, Luke went with me for my 10-mile bike ride last week, which might have been the day after we recorded last time. But so that's I guess another thing you can add to the week. I did a 10-mile bike ride also. Yeah. Um I think it was it was Saturday. So yeah, it was within the last week. Uh so anyway, Luke did the the bike ride with me. And he was like, I really want to get to 10 miles. I'm like, let's do it, dude. Let's do it. And then he's like, How much is the how long is the swim? He's like, I really didn't like the 5K. I didn't like the running. And I'm like, honey, you're just like me. I also hated it. I said, but the mini is just a one mile run. So we think we're gonna sign him up for the mini. It's like a it's just a like a four-lap swim. It's like a hundred-yard swim. It's a whatever, like a five-mile bike ride and then a one mile run. Like easy. He just did a 10-mile bike ride with no problems. So isn't that cool?

SPEAKER_03 49:23

But that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 49:24

Like, what a cool thing that you and hubs are discovering, right? What an opportunity to set the path for your kids in a way that you're gonna be excellent role models for them and have the energy to keep up keep up with them. Cause like it is not fucking easy to keep up with kids. No, it's you have to get up from where you're sitting all of the time. All of the time. There's no relaxing of any kind. Don't kid yourself, especially with three of them. You got to run that zone defense always. We can't even run a man-to-man coverage here. So, yes. But it's wonderful, and I love that. Let me just really quickly say I have a couple we haven't talked about under physical traps, which would be more like the rides kinds of things, like um go-karts. You told me you wrote a go-kart and I nearly fell out of my chair. I was like, oh my God, you're so brave.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

Because they sit so low to the ground and I'm always real worried about getting out of it. But also, I'm always, I'm always my by default, I'm always like, is there a weight limit on this thing? Is there a weight limit on these things?

SPEAKER_00 50:22

It you know, in my past, I wouldn't have probably, but I think like this situation I'm with like my husband, I can be like, hey, just hoist me out. Let's do a hoist. And he'll if I have him to do it, and I've been with him so long that it's like I'm not and he's seen me at many different sizes that I he kind of is like my physical. We're talking about that a lot today. A lot of the decisions I make are with if if I'm there, like if I was with you, I would be like, hey, help me get out. Like someone I'm comfortable with. If I was with a group of friends or I was younger, no, fucking way. No. If I had to ask for help, if I was alone, probably not. But I think when I'm with other people, because I'm very uh I like thrill. I'm a thrill seeker, so like I'll squeeze myself into anything if it's gonna go fast.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

Oh yeah. I love that too. Like I was the same way with roller coasters when I was younger. Love it.

SPEAKER_00 51:14

Do you own those roller coaster VHS tapes?

SPEAKER_01 51:17

Oh my god, no. What is a roller coaster is?

SPEAKER_00 51:21

You know when they'd sell them in between like Jerry Springer? You could order like BHS tapes like the greatest roller coasters. Anyway. Yes, roller coasters for life.

SPEAKER_01 51:31

Real thrill seekers for sure. And I now I can't ride them anyway because I don't think so. Yeah, something's happened to me. Um, I mean, not just my size, just that I can't handle rides anymore. Like there's something happening, something has happened in my body where it just makes me feel real physically ill.

SPEAKER_03 51:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:45

But something that you were just saying when you said like you feel empowered when you have people around you that you trust and feel safe with. Um, another thing on my list for physical traps is kayaks. But I did go kayaking for the first time. Yeah, like last summer when I was at a friend of the podcast, Shelly. Uh, she uh Shelly is one of our absolute faves. And I went to her lake house last summer. And because I was with my girls, right? Like my people, they made me feel empowered enough to kayak. And I did, and I, oh my God, it was such a triumphant day. I have so many pictures that day. I texted and sent video to Beebs about it, and he was like, Yes, this is it. You're out living your life, you're unrestrained, you're just able to do the things. Oh my gosh. It's just a really fucking joyous day in celebration. Oh my god. We haven't even talked about the fact that I'm about to leave tomorrow for 10 days.

SPEAKER_00 52:40

I was gonna say when we started it, I was like, we gotta talk about your big adventure.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

Yeah, I'm about to leave for 10 days. I'm gonna be meeting up with my um bet my bestie.

SPEAKER_00 52:52

Give us the itinerary.

SPEAKER_01 52:53

So we're gonna be going to Little Rock tomorrow. They're actually on their way now. They're now Clint and Sam. I'm flying. Clint and Sam are driving. They're on their way now. Clint uh Clint actually flew to Sam. He's driving.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

He flew to Sam. Okay. Yes. And then they're driving.

unknown 53:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:08

Yep. And they're driving down. And then I think Hope's flying in today. I'm flying in tomorrow. Missy's flying in tomorrow. So we'll are we're all gonna converge tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 53:18

Very good.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

And then um Bebs and Christopher James, Mike, Mike coaches, but the both of them are my coaches, and bros. Um Beebs and Christopher James and Clint and Sam are all gonna run an ultra marathon. Oh yeah. And and we're gonna like hope and Misty and I are gonna be there in support. So we'll be there to help for whatever they might need. Because Beebs has told me that he's had to finish races on crutches before. And he will do that because you know, I wanted to say this earlier when you talk about remember those levels of like thoughts become actions, become behavior, become whatever. Like when I think about how that identity, he's like, So at some point it becomes your identity, it's just what you're known for. Like, that's absolutely Bebes, right? Like anybody who thinks of Beebs, I think immediately thinks feral, runner, yeah, right. Like just peak. Yeah, yeah. So it's just has become his his identity. Um after that, after we do that ultra marathon, I'm gonna hang with that group for the next week because the following weekend, we are doing my seventh tough mutter, but we're doing we're all doing a tough mudder together in Atlanta. I think this is my fourth one for Atlanta, maybe third or fourth.

SPEAKER_00 54:33

What a course. I would say I would say I've only been to two. Maybe you can back this up, but I would if you're gonna pick a tough mutter to go to, I would say go to the one in Atlanta.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 54:44

I've only done two.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

It's a pretty it's a pretty good one. I would definitely recommend it over some other courses, but um if I had to choose, I would absolutely select Tampa.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:53

Tampa, they do it in December, so it's like a great time because it's not overly crazy hot. The mud is more like sandy, it's not it doesn't it's as gooey as Atlanta, it's a little gooey in Atlanta. Yeah, Atlanta is real that Georgia clay mud, as they like to say. Yeah, so they got that red Georgia clay. Oh anyway, yeah, I'm about to embark on a great adventure. I'm super excited about it. So I'll have lots to share next time we wait to hear. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:19

If you guys want to um share any of your other physical anybody got physical traps?

SPEAKER_01 55:25

Yeah. Or have you been have you been caught in a physical trap? Did you fall through a metal grate and be did you get trapped in a well and become a national news story and you would like to share with us what that felt like?

SPEAKER_00 55:37

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SPEAKER_03 56:25

Yeah. We encourage it. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 56:29

You have been listening to the Born This Way podcast. Smaller bodies, same physical traps, they're still out there and they still very much scare me. 100 pounds down, I'm still scared of folding chairs, but we're gonna get there. They might always, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 56:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:46

Yeah, maybe they will.

SPEAKER_03 56:48

I'll see you next week. Bye. Bye. Have a good trip.

SPEAKER_00 56:53

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